The Hacker Project - a free online game

Greetings all. It is readily apparent that our recent actions have caused a great stir within your community. As a result, we are announcing our existence and our intentions.

For these past few months we have watched as Six Gun Productions dominated the technological landscape. Through force and collusion they have molded a Union, where all members are dedicated to preventing the use of Revelation. However, SGP thought it relevant to acquire a copy for "research" purposes. The rest of the Union accepted this without question, as SGP was the figurehead of the Union. Over the next couple of weeks, SGP used this period to develop the Tsar Weapons. Their mission was no longer one of research, as they had realized they were holding an extremely powerful weapon.

Reverting back to their aggressive nature, they began using the Tsar Weapons to intimidate and injure non-Union members, regardless of their stance on Revelation. It had become their personal method of intimidation. And yet, among those in the Union, none stepped up and did anything more than raise weak objections, which were met with questions of loyalty, an effective way to silence any dissent. Tell us, have any of you done anything to stop that which you swore to prevent when you first joined the Union?

Our mission is simple and twofold:

First, the outlawing of software such as Virus Breakers and Spyware goes against every base value of the information specialist. The mission should be the first and foremost thing in his mind, and all tools should be available for his disposal without fear of retribution from unrelated parties. To force a person to stop from using a tool of his trade is to weaken and undermine his position. You may have your policies yes, and yes there are consequences to using this software, but to enforce those policies where they do not concern you is none of your business.

Second, we believe that the use of Revelation in any way, shape or form is an abomination and a threat to the safety of all information specialists. SGP has failed to see the ramifications of both using and simply owning a copy of Revelation on its servers. As you can see, a well-versed group of individuals would only need money and organization to bring about Doomsday. SGP has already done the research for us! We as a whole are decidedly anti-Revelation, however, we feel this is the only way to effectively show that SGP's actions are a threat to our continued existence. We intend to bring the Tsar Weapon Project to a stop by any means necessary. We intend to show that SGP is not the only power that rivals the Mega-Corps.

im not pro rev, pro sgp or pro sotl, either way power to you guys, i can see the next week is going to be intresting

Yes I can see this will be interesting; Too bad for SoTL the Tsar Bomba Project died hours before this post. I can post logs for proof if you'd like. Now it appears you're the one blowing smoke :P

meh people act as if this game is some sort of government, remember its a game dont get crazy. thats for both parties.

I got to say one thing to this SoTL guy he forgot one fatal thing about his actions.

Each player can only install ONE revelation virus.

Reverting back to their aggressive nature, they began using the Tsar Weapons to intimidate and injure non-Union members, regardless of their stance on Revelation. It had become their personal method of intimidation. And yet, among those in the Union, none stepped up and did anything more than raise weak objections, which were met with questions of loyalty, an effective way to silence any dissent. Tell us, have any of you done anything to stop that which you swore to prevent when you first joined the Union?

There wasn't a single player who went against SGP could use the revelation virus because if you look at it then the most safe way to stop it is to be sure you got it your self it can delay the aktivation of revelation if used correctly.

But you will soon notice it's not so easy to screw with the mass of Hacker Project, have a fun stay SoTL.

Jimmi, no offense, but you're too new to the forums to take seriously.  And having Revelation doesn't make us safe; you can't delay it by "using it correctly." The only way to be safe is to have Revelations that can be disinfected in the time it takes to install 10 (60 hours, I think, assuming they time everything perfectly?)

Raistlin, no offence, but you shouldn't read a book by it's cover.


Jimmi33 is an original ARC member. Heck he'll probably even pass you in rank before you know it.

you dont understand it Raistlin if they do it correctly then if SGP install a v 0.1 revelation and have a disinfectiong ready then they can delay it by atleast 6 hours no matter how good they time it all

Okay: Point A) Type more coherently; my eyes bleed attempting to read your poorly capitalized and entirely unpunctuated mishmash of sentences.

That being said: Point B) That's not what SGP was doing. They installed a v2.4. And there's about a week's worth of delay in keeping a disinfect on that ready; using Version 1.0, with enough resources and a few friends (or alts, created from a public library or something), I could trigger Rev in under a week.
Savvy?

a) i am sorry about my type im not english and yes im kind of bad i'll do my best.

b) i didn't said what they were doing right now i gave an option to what they could do to delay it 6 hours or more.

and also one more thing at the moment then this guy SoTL only owns 4 servers with the revelation virus and 2 owned by SGP to tell the truth then i dont belive this guy can pull it all of

He can't.

The simple fact alone that he tried to install the Revs on his own system multiple times proves his idiocracy.

Either way, my main IP will go into hiding for a bit. Remote attacks are remote attacks. Whoever cracks it, by the way, can have all of the software on it with a 10,000 kb/s connection to play with. Good luck. v273 Firewall and v1000 PWP to bypass.

I need language restrictions lifted to properly respond to this gastropod.

Why would you assume that it's all one guys doing? All it would take would be a group of 10 friends, that all have gold. Name the servers with Revelation installations SoTL and you have what appears to be one man. As for his idiocracy(idiocy?), personally it's common sense. You can't touch the newb servers, you cant touch the Rev virus while it's being installed, if they were serious, they could pull it off quite easily.

As for their statement about the Tsar Project.. I agree. The FU should have stopped it before it began. The fact that it had persisted, means that the FU has failed in their MO. And that the FU is willing to toss it's own MO to the wayside if certain conditions are met. Now, because of the research put into it, and the SoTL with their newbie servers, there is no way to even patch this break. Even if FU deleted all of their copies of the 2.45 Rev, there would still be the 2.45 Rev on the SoTL newbie servers.

But.. I see the same problem happening with SoTL. They say they abhor the use of Revelation... and yet they are keeping copies. They are installing them. They are in sense attempting to replace SGP's terrorism with a greater threat of their own. "Get rid of your versions or we will cause doomsday." So they are in essence no different then SGP(I'm assuming are the owners of Tsar).

Now, as for who they are... at least one of them has at one point or time been a FU member. Obviously someone that is either a user of the VB or Spyware. Or has been severely punished for the use of it beforehand. Also it is likely these people have been the targets of Tsar at one time or another. (Of course this is all speculation based on their "statement of purpose")


On a side note.. this will be interesting to see how it turns out. Who will cave.. or who will push the big red button first just to say, "I killed you before you killed me."  :16:  An issue of pride is what it is now....

You can't touch the newb servers, you cant touch the Rev virus while it's being installed, if they were serious, they could pull it off quite easily.

Im sure we all know this; Emi included. Why else has there been newbie server abuse for months?

You mean Emi MEANT for it to be used to protect Rev? Well, that explains why he never fixed/responded to the issue. . .

Even suspicion of such an act on Emi's part is going to ruin this game, not just reset it. People are not going to be happy about this.

Yes well, how long have people been complaining about overpowered newbie protection? A lot longer than the newbies have been complaining! It's a definite advantage, and can be abused with Revelations like it is now.

Not to take anything away from Emi, he did comment on the problem, but has not done anything about it..

Also, Emi had planned Rev before it was implemented. Long before. It was in the ideas during the beginning of the game. Don't you think some more extensive planning could have been done?

Well, then he better just reset it now so those who want to keep playing can start rebuilding already and those who don't want to keep playing can stop wasting their time.

No one is going to appreciate this manipulation. This is nothing resembling a fun storyline or even an interesting one. People are going to go away from this experience feeling jerked around and betrayed.

Don't let me point the finger for you. "Because 7 billion people could be wrong"

For all we know Emi is trying to fix this situation as we speak. But given his history I'd say that the game is nearing a reset.

I would LOVE to find out the Emi is trying to fix the situation. That would thrill me to no end and I would add Emi to my Christmas card list (of course I'd have to create a Christmas card list just to add him to it) but, as you suggest, the evidence, the trend, and the likelihood is the contrary. This isn't a "beyond reasonable doubt" situation, but a clear "by a preponderance of the evidence" situation as they say in law.

The game, the concept is fun and exiting but this Revelation thing is broken and anti-climactic. That's more my point.

If I wasn't to assume it was all one guy's doing, then it's only 3-4 stupid people. Either way, it's a fake threat.

And the evidence is staggering, mind you.

Emi took his time to make sure newbie protection was made right. He also took his time - 3 months - to ensure Faith and Revelation were made right. You don't just overlook something like this.

no evidence to say it isnt emi who is behind sotl, conspircacy theories ftw

soTL (or, so True light, as I originally had suspected.  :16: ) could be dangerous, we can't have revelation, even downloading it has been made into a criminal offence. (rightfully so!)

I auggest they are monitored and kept from becoming a serious threat.


I think newbie protection should:
stop any players within the NP bounds from
1. uploading/activating a malware bomb
2. uploading/downloading/installing revelation

btw: nice to see a new faction!

*Any death threats please be sent in form of PM not attacks ingame*

I am kind of glad that someone decided to stand up against SGP. I approve of their point, but their method is a little unethical. No, I am not admitting to being associated with SoTL, but their cause is a good one. SGP has a strangle hold on this game, no one is able to do much anymore without the fear of recourse.

If I had the money I would join them in their quest. Yet, I do not. I also respect the members of SGP, ARC, TNW way to much to trash all they have worked for. I do not approve of their ethics or way they go about getting into people's business. I do approve of their helping newer players but only to a certain point. They help new players only till they have 1 or 2 million power then they through down the rules.

Please, stop bashing SirEmi. I am guessing that he is tired from all this bashing and false accusations. Sure, he doesn't have a good track record. Remember, HP has been in beta for a long time. He wants everything perfect. He is trying his hardest. Allow him time to make some upgrades. If you are a programmer you understand, something take more than 1 minute.

Lastly, I want to reiterate, I am not supporting SoTL or SGP. I wish everyone would stop fighting over who is doing what. Stay to you own business, keep out of your neighbors, don't act as if you are invulnerable. Eventually you will be conquered. Now SoTL seems to have caught SGP with their pants down. SGP is trying to launch a propaganda campaign against everything and everyone to take the blame off of them. It doesn't seem to be working huh?

*All Death Threats please put in writing and don't attack me in game.*

I agree with you completely, and would also join sotl just for the fun of doing so, but my lack of resources and experience is going to make me wait a month(if it lasts that long)

Feh.... I'm sure once the initial shock and resentment wears off, we'll all post much more sanely.

I disagree entirely with SoTL but whatever. If it's reset, it's reset. Make it quick, though, two weeks of waiting around with nothing to do is agonizing.  :16:

I don't think SoTL's going for a reset, for 2 reasons. One, they haven't got enough Rev's running to end things, and two, they said "we believe that the use of Revelation in any way, shape or form is an abomination and a threat to the safety of all information specialists.". If they do start Doomsday, it'd be pretty hypocritical. And also "an abomination."

ever seen heroes?
kill millions to save billions


































































save the cheerleader, save the world.  :16:

Not familiar with the plot line of Heroes. I am aware of it, however.

Since when does hypocrisy stop people?

The only way to know for certain is to uncover the face(s) behind SoTL.

Given the time frame under which the current copies appeared, and the fact that they cannot be undone in a reasonable amount of time, it is entirely possible that this group may well complete the DDay scenario.

My fiendish brain has vomited up some new theories. If one of them is right, it will be interesting, but it will ruin it if I tell. I need more information.

i havent even dared log into any of the rev servers yet, in case of log campers :(

I have, and they're installing.

I think we need a police force besides SGP, no matter how powerful, 6 people can only do so much!
(ARC doesn't count, they only do revelation, I hope they're cracking down hard on this sudden threat though!)

oh Shi*
4 soTL servers, this is getting bad!

I'm pretty sure they're staggered too. However, until there's 10 SoTLs, there's not so much of a threat as an scare. However, given the time line, it is possible that they could build and install as they go and there'd be nothing we could do about it but watch the fireworks.

I need more information. All this speculation is just making me paranoid.  :confused2: :laugh:

when rev is finally getting near ur all nuts scared or panicing, dont remember they need 11 days to activate, thtas some time to think for plans

We have to get SirEmi to do the Newbie prot fix!!

Maybe. Maybe he's planning a huge update when the server resets. Something's up here. It all seems too contrived, almost forced. Whether it's Emi or not is irrelevant, and even if it is, it is not necessarily a bad thing. The more I think about it, the more it fails to add up to such a simple solution as what we've been ranting about on the forum. I tend to over analyze, though, but my gut isn't leaving it alone and my gut is often much more rational than my brain. I'm not sure what it is but something doesn't quite add up. For SoTL to do what it's attempting to do, even if it's an idle threat, it needs backing and organization to do what's been done in this time frame. I'm looking at the top 20 here.

 Not when the virus was bought. Just needed the cash. And there are some names down by me that seem to make a ridiculous amount of money from delete missions. And I'm also wondering if 1 user is using a script to do it. Once you have the needed specs, all you would need to do is save up (or buy) the HPD needed.

 On a slightly related topic, I'm stopping the Faith deletions in case they're needed in the near future.

It's only one virii per person though, there's a group behind this.

And then there's the fact that one can make multiple accounts. Even if the account is young, the face behind it could be old or supported by a old account. There's more questions the more I ponder it.

You all seem to be forgetting the price of a v 2.452 Revelation Virus in the Software Store...

You don't think THAT was intentional?

We would like to reiterate that we stand true to the principles we originally stated. We understand the public is terrified by the prospect of Doomsday, but we again insist that unless others not in alliance with us decide to activate their own copies, we will not begin the countdown to Doomsday. We primarily wish for an end to the Tsar Weapons project. To this end, we claim responsibility for the disinfection of Tsar Bomba as a step towards our primary objective.

For those of you who doubt our intentions, we have begun formats on all servers we own that hold the Revelation virus, and are prepared to delete our copies once all other researched copies are removed. Until then we stand firmly on our position.

 Thanks for that. I have a list of every person online when that post was made. Perhaps coincidental, but may narrow the playing field a tad. Contact me for a copy.

I don't see what you're getting at HJ, are you saying that it's intentionally cheap?

I think it's just a byproduct of Revelation's high base stats. High base stats = lower research threshold = lower software store price. I was looking at the other software that still has <v10 listed, and it seems about the same as what the Revelation virus costs per version.

As for this whole Revelation deal, it sounds like fun. Looks like someone other than SGP wants to play with Revelation while they can. Maybe I'll join in the hunt, I've been looking for something to do this past month besides the same old farming.

Ahem....

You can't see it and I don't have a digital camera to prove it, but my eye is twitching. I've been jerked around too much this week. I need a vacation. Let's cut to the part where SGP and SoTL put down their weapons and walk away... OH wait! SGP is already doing that. Hit complete task now so my heart can start up again and we can all move on with our lives.  Pwetty pweeze! :2:

Don't make me go take a picture of my little brother-in-law doing the Puss In Boots face!  :7:

Except that the Tsar Weapons were never installed.  Installation was never started by HJ on the Tsar weapons and I had canceled mine some time ago.  In fact to my knowledge all copies of the Tsar weapons have been under deletion for a couple of days now.

Exactly, so SoTL pulled a loaded weapon on a man already surrendering his weapon.  :laugh:

Didn't SGP just clean your server at your request with no request of payment or anything else?

Why cant everyone accept a reset. It is gonna happen anyway. Might as well not delay it anymore. Just restart instead of getting even further

Yes and yet they are the only ones installing it.  So they are an abomination.  That means they should be destroyed.

I see some people in this thread are doing like politicians and doing the flip, flop, flip to the flippity flip flop and you don't stop.

Tsar Bomba was never installed so you could not have disinfected it.  Now SoTL is lieing?  Makes me wonder where their true allegiances lie.

JUST SET OFF THE REV. RESTART AND GET OVER IT. WE KNOW SGP and SoTL /=EPIC FAIL

It's not a matter of flipflopping on SGP's part.  It is a matter that we listed to the public for some time.  And at least I came to the conclusion that if the Tsar Weapons were installed it would mean the end of the round just based on the disinfect times.

I will say this much though.   SoTL could be trying to go for a reset because they are tired of SGP being on Top.  Although the way they are going about it is wrong.

HJ and I talked about this long and hard in chat one night.  You really only need to install 1 Tsar Weapon for it to be the end of the game.  After all once the 24 count down starts all 10 Revelations have to be disinfected before the end of the 24 hours.  That is in large part why the Tsar Weapons were never installed.

I think SGP has made their stance very clear on the Revelations.  Even offering up higher level protects than anyone else in the game has as far as I know.

Defeatist.  :16:

Well, I mean just reset. We will eventually reset so, that will just cause us to lose more. Just give it up.

There is something resembling the beginnings of a point there. The only way to truly be free of the Revelation menace is to remove it from the game.

Ohh, poor Jake.

Your servers go bye-bye

Yet hours before Revelations 1.0 would be eradicated from the game SoTL buys it from the software shop.    I think that in of itself should say something about SoTL's "Statements"

We wonder who is lying now. We don't think anyone here will back you up on that claim. Remote attacks were made on several targets, and SGP clearly states that they are responsible for the attacks. It was clear as day that Hatejacket's copy of Revelation was installed, and it was disinfected earlier today. In fact, we left a couple presents on Hatejacket's server as well, which is the reason why he changed his IP so prematurely. Why would he have to change his IP nearly a week ahead of the installing Revelations?

We also find it suspicious that you have allowed someone on to your main server to start a delete process on Revelation. We believe that no more than one person outside of SGP has the software to break those protections. You distribute software to the masses for sure, but it is not software that can compete with yours. You do so to create an inferior, but slightly competent group of people that owe their belongings to you. Then you impress on them your ideals and rules, stopping them from producing their own, effectively stunting their development as individuals.

Your propaganda machine is failing you, its holes are readily apparent and your arguments shoddy at best. Our copies are available for everyone to see. We do not run protection software on those servers. Why do you hide behind yours? We suggest that you do so because access to competitive software is something you don't want the public to have. You wish to keep them subordinate to your power.

 Got another live one. "drzejb's Dedicated Server" with a v.1.

I was referring to J.Green... but I guess it applies there too, V-man. I stick to my previous statement that Revelation should not have existed in the first place.

<sigh> So, it wasn't the interesting contingency or a variant thereof. I'm so disappointed! Such a mundane motive. Talk about anti-climactic.

Uh-oh, nice plot there.
Unfortunately I smell a restart now.  :2:

SoTL only needs to host the Rev, a newbie account can remote install it.
Now what are you guys talking about they can't pull it out?

Congrats Ebolla, you've won $60 price!  :laugh:

I need to get some software now so I can be in the top 10 again....lol

Actually, you can't remote install Rev without using up the same resources it requires on the remote system, too. So no, a newbie can't install it. Disaster averted!

Can't help but to elaborate their points...  :21:


How about Jake? He's a good candidate for that.


True. And they said its their punishment.


True. And how did you know who that person is?  :21:


Others can't run it. However those players who can run it that does not follow their rules are one by one listed on their hit list and received constant attacks. Big players that won't follow them can already research their own high level software.


Others learned to adapt and hide for a while. Note that big farms are bombed by SGP which would really destroy the potential of a player to compete.


That's what I'm afraid of... smaller players might install your Revs. Anyway, I will still blame the first person who researched Rev into higher level. Or SoTL could be part of SGP's propaganda?


It's part of the game. Hoard the power. Stop the competitors. Add propaganda to the forums to make your team look good. Destroy other team's reputation by propaganda, etc... It's all part of the game.


Thanks for clarifications! Haven't thought about trying to install it so I don't know.  :16:

Simple the Tsar Weapons were Revelations 2.452.   Which ALL can attest were NEVER installed.  So anything else?   As for the deletion of the Tsar Weapons it is I who am deleting them.  Hence why the deletes are from my own serves to my own servers.

So care to try slandering us again?  BTW I do suspect I know who is behind SoTL.   EoD was created to take down SGP which they have failed to do.   So either it is EoD or someone who has had connections with EoD....

Actually, I'm pretty sure that's what HJ hit me with; there was only one installed, and now there are none. . . If I'm wrong, please correct.


Edit: I stand corrected :P

Also in regards to the software given out.  That is a server hosted by SGP but is community driven.   Yes we do toss some of our older software on it as a gift to others but the server is primarily there for the community to help out each other.



What HJ hit you with was a Revelations 1.0.  2.452 was never installed on any server and SoTL are the only ones installing it currently even though SGP was removing them from the game.

Sadly though yes we did research it up.   And what we predicted would happen has happened thanks to SoTL.

if you predicted it would happen than why did you do it?

I could cause doomsday with 1.0s, I think. It's what, 10 hours per v.1, give or take? 100 hours. . . By my reckoning, a well organized team could end the world in under 90 :(

We should destroy all revs. ALL of them.

We wanted to explore revelations and look at what it would take to make d-day unstoppable and it's viability as an actual weapon.

That is what SGP has been working on.   However SoTL made it impossible for us to complete the op as is evident by them having the only V1.0.  They were watching HJ's server which he was disinfecting to get it as close as possible to the last minute.

you could had done it with a v.1 and just ran some numbers... you did not actually have to fully test/implement it to figure it out. it is ok to say that in theory something works a certain way........

But after that, we will reset again, then reset again, then reset again.  The subsequent resets will likely take much less time than the first has, because most of the current barriers to resetting will be gone (and because people actually will know how to grow quickly after a reset, unlike at the beginning the first time around).  If you're scared of losing whatever you gain, why play at all?  For that matter, I'm not entirely convinced you've gained much of anything on your own to lose yet.

If a reset would occure right now I wont cry but I wont play HP again because:
1. I was given the expression of a persistent world.
2. I had put a lot of effort in this game (might not be visible) and now everything Ive done is going undone.
3. Ive put a lot of time in this game too. Wasted time when im not able to play until I get bored of the game.
4. I just hate games with resets unleash the game was based on rounds with a static limit of, lets say, a month. Thats the only games which can keep me to play because then the goal is to raise your ranking after every round.
5. HP have too many misplaced caps and nerfs such as the AP system.
6. Emi have a godcomplex which will only lead to people getting pissed at him making him to retaliate against the players. (May/may not happen.)

Revelation is broken and unwelcome. It must be stricken from the server. Incidents like this will occur again unless it is removed. We will become burned out on fearing for the security of our hardware, software, and HPD and this gaming community will wilt and die. If it must exist then it must exist on a different server. It cannot exist here in an established community which clearly expects a persistent environment, whatever the negative consequences may be of that persistence.

I doubt very highly that many of us who enjoy this game would fail to also play on a round-based server, and some clearly would prefer it, but this one is going to be persistent or it is going to fail. Whether by community action or divine intervention, it's too well established a community to tolerate such an event.

SoTL's actions are not noble. These are nothing but jealous and foolhardy thugs who would do the same thing if they were in SGP's place only there wouldn't be an SGP to even try to stop them. There would have been nothing for them to try and contrast themselves against to attempt to make themselves look like the hero in this. The reality is that such actions as these spoil the game.

SGP may be a stable and seemingly permanent group, but not until SoTL came along was Revelation used toward Revelation Day. Say what you will about using Revelation to attack players' severs, but it was also clearly used against True Light servers in order to prevent new spawned copies of Revelation on servers which had the hardware capacity to contain it. SGP may not be everyone's hero and people may disagree with its tactics, but it does what needs to be done to keep the game going.

Ebolla..

SGP researched the Rev virus and made it possible for Anti-Rev people to buy decent Rev versions and start a DD.

SGP was aiming with that Rev virus at people who werent against Revelation but were against SGP or people who were "suspicious".

Why are the Rev servers protected? Does SGP want a reset?

As for the Repository servers: are they being used to get the alts higher software, without breaking the TOS?


The public wants answers. No arrogance or tough/leet talk. The message is of importance, not the way you formulate it.

Dont be a sophist  :bodyguard:

Another thing..

I really never could get why SGP has a problem with EoD. Ok: Eradiction of domination <-> SGP dominates the game.
But I thought that is what SGP wanted? Some tension..

The whole time SGP has used propaganda to blame EoD for everything. Do you even know who is in EoD?

I dont wanna put EoD in a bad spotlight but lol they arent even capable of doing this. Most of them are new players, others have quit or leaved.

If they are behind this then I'll give SGP my login information lol. And I mean EoD, not 1 person of EoD.

I also know that you guys dont wanna believe I have no more contact with EoD. So be it.
But do not make it look like Im a liar! I may have said lies before but this isnt one.

SoTL or is it Donn, Riolic, Moen, or one of their friends?   As to SGP's stance on Spyware and Sniffer Daemons, both programs are not used for information gathering.  Instead Spyware is used to STEAL HPD from other players and Sniffer Daemons are used to COST people HPD in the form of AP.  So don't try to say they are used for information gathering.

Donn.  I already admitted that researching Rev to 2.452 was a mistake and one that SGP was working on clearing up.  But SoTL bought both the 1.0 and 2.452.  They bought the 1.0 within hours of it being removed from the game.

SGP has not used propaganda against EoD.   Yes we know who several members are in EoD and we know of several that have ties to them.  But fact is EoD was created to try and compete with SGP with which they have failed to accomplish even with SGP giving out MANY trade secrets.

Many of the servers with Rev on it are brand new servers.  It only costs 20,000 HPD to buy the server and another 98,000 HPD to buy the software.  That is very easy to acquire by anyone within a few days.

Providing us your login information does not mean anything as to EoD's guilt or innocence which ever it may be.

SGP only ever hit those who deserved it with Revelations.  In fact I think I hit 1 Player with Revelations.  The rest of the uses on it were against NPC Servers.  I know HJ used Revelations against a certain individual multiple times but am not aware of it's use against any other players.

None of the Rev servers are protected.  And click HERE (http://www.hacker-project.com/forum/index.php?topic=991.0) for proof of that.   Seriously Donn your arguments are getting weaker and weaker.

As for the Repository Servers.  Each group has their own Repository.  And as for the Free Repositories, well HJ closed his down and mine is the only one still active.  And if you like I can take a screen shot of my alt's files.  You will find that except for his research assignment all of his files are below 1.0.

Now you said to not make you look like a liar.  I tried not to but you really gave me no choice as your statements were almost all blatantly obviously false.

I repeat my question: does SGP want a reset?

I am in no way connected to SoTL. I hope you'll provide evidence before accusing me, or you'll be making the same mistake I did once.

Both Raistlin and Riolic were attacked. They have told that on the forum I believe.

The rest of the things I've said, you've answered to and Im very happy you did. I really am.  :7:

No but we do want PvP.   Problem is the game is broken far as PvP goes and until we can get PvP going and show Sir Emi that it will never get fixed.

What do you mean with PvP?
I thought hacking a person and messing up his server is not tolerated...

No that is part of the game.   Granted with the current abusable game mechanics you can't do much.

Anyone else but me who wonders where Riolic is??  :shifty:

Ow, then I mistunderstood.

However trying to introduce PvP into this game is impossible.
Not because of the game mechanics and limitations, it is just that this game is not build for PvP. Only occasional hacking to stop a process or get some files.

To make this game PvP you will need to increase Anti-hacker missions, up the rewards. Down the delete/install times, remove the upload cap, kill the IP change godmode and other similar changes. Resulting in un-balancing the game, or simply undoing all the changes made.

Sadly there didn't used to be an upload cap.  IP Change is a dead horse since most active players have already stated how abusable it is.  Right now once you stop running missions there is little joy to the game.

Won't it be better to host a PvP yourself, beeing the strongest group in HP.

You could make a contest or something, have players enlist and participate for prizes or simply for fun.
People can register their server IP (a 2nd server, not your main), everyone would need the same server stats and server files.
Rules would be simple:
-No IP change.
-No research.
-No upgrading your server.
-No downloading additional files.
-Last surviving server wins.

People can hack each other, upload malwares and simply have fun, without fearing retribution against their servers, or person in general.

A referee server would be needed, to make sure you only use your PvP registered server and not your main to participate.


It would be a step in the right direction.

*Edit: Grammar

I'd be up for that. I would be willing to host em.
Geth, you just gave me an amazing thing to work on. I will have a mini beta tourny. Lemme gather enough money to get 5 servers to specs and we will duel it out.

This sounds like a very good idear Geth now we just need SirEmi to host them so it become real tournament he could say that the winner will get a HPD prise and maybe 1 of the best softwares it would make it much easyer for newbs to come close to the top 10

Ebolla, I tried to download a decryptor for days, whats taking all the BW on that server?  :laugh:

Yes, I'd definitely play the tourney, but I need an extra server first  :13:

I had work then came home and slept.... That's where I have been, but yes I was hit multiple times by the 1.0 revelation virus owned by Hatejacket.  My stance on this whole problem is this: when/if revelation occurs, it is all in SGP's lap, as Ebolla himself has said, it is their fault for researching it to the unstoppable point. 

But it must be  acknowledged that pvp is not possible between the large players at this point without use of revelation due to:

#1 AP system (i personally run with less then 1000 AP at all times and i assume the other top ranked players do as well)

#2 the extremely large process times for installs/deletes/hides/encrypts on all files.  I did a test on my backup server and my password and firewall protects alone would take more the 5 days to delete from a remote server and nearly 20 hours to hide or 36 to encrypt them.... Now who here as honestly say they have seen anyone in the top 10 be offline for more then 12 hours?

The only other viable method is small malwares (.5 or lower) as malwares take approx 30 min/per .1 to install anything larger then 1.0 is useless since there is a very high chance that the target will log on, stop your process on the malware, and simply IP change, putting them out of reach for an undetermined amount of time. But then you must realize even if one were to manage to get a .5 malware on an opponent, it will only do a spec's worth of damage compared to what their hardware is that it would take less then an hours worth of most peoples income to recover from 8+ hours of a malware.

#3 New IP buying system now makes it much easier to hide with the integration of an AP cost into an IP purchase

#4 yes i know my grammar blows, get over it.

About the tourney:
I will start a new topic on SGP forums. It will be a closed beta but you will be able to apply for it. I will be hosting all the servers necessary. If SGP will be glad to supply some software as a prize because as far as I know I have the lowest out of all higher ranking players.

You CANNOT host all servers, if you think you can then you misunderstood my idea.

If you want to make PvP, then each participating player needs to buy a new server, and increase the server specs to a level agreed upon.
Which should not be to high nor low.

The idea is that players use their new servers to oblidarate those of others.
Now this all might seem boring, as you can simply cancel a upload, download or install. Thats why you need tactics.

The files you are allowed to have are limited, also 1 or 2 versions of a file. The files will make tactics.
The Idea is this:
You can run a high log deleter, making no-one find you. But it will be at the expense of your defenses, or you can chose to run a lower log deleter and defenses simultanius. But people can track you easily.
So basically the limit of server specs, and variety of files will force you to chose your running programs carefully.

Might seem simple, the calculations to balance it are numerous.

GreenThumb, you cant just start a tourney, rules need to be thought up. Also a goal, perhaps something like CTF, but instead of a flag deleting a large file from a server to score points.


Anyway the idea needs more refining, then you can start a round. It will never be perfect, but after each round it will become more balanced.

We need a way to make uploads/downloads unstoppable by remotehost, and allow us to control their bw usage to a point.

how about this:
'system lock' program *or something (v.1 will take up a few gbs?)
using a good deal of CPU, BW, and MEM, (or something, perhaps proportional to the file.) a system lock will make an upload like a delete, it can only be cancelled on localhost. It will also make the minimum the 'victim' can let the file take up is 33% of his BW, instead of .1, if this 33% is above the max of the uploader, it will simply use the uploaders max. (like always.)
the system guard *or something
uses a set amount of CPU and MEM, it's basicly the firewall against the system lock. (usual .2) (v.1 will take one or two?)

once the system lock starts, a system guard can't stop it.

so x wants to download a virii on x1.
x has 10bw.
x1 has 10bw.
x starts the upload, then system locks it.
x1 tries to delete the upload, failing that, he tries to pause it, instead of .1, it uses 3.3.
x finishes the download some time later, and installs his virii.
x couldn't put up his good passprot because of the usage from the system lock though, and x2 cracks him.
x gets system locked with a virii.
x2 then viriibreaks x's installed virii on x1.
x2 winz!!!
(x2 also had a system guard, v.3, so x3 couldn't system lock [v.1] an adware on him either.)

Wow, you guys are giving my brain a workout. Lemme talk to Emi, lemme talk to Ebolla, Gent if you want give me a shout through PM we can continue through email.

Sweet. This is productive conversation. Let's improve the game, not blow it up.

eh? what?
*is pulling the pin on a grenade attached to some nitro*

Conversation is to be continued here:
http://hacker-project.chaoticfury.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=278 (http://hacker-project.chaoticfury.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=278)

Very nice.

Seb, put it down.  :13:

AOoooowh!
Fine.  :4:
I hate registering on multiple forums

Alright, I will post it in another topic. It will be easier I guess.

The Tsar Weapons Project concerns all copies of Revelation researched above v0.1. Suggesting that the Tsar weapons were never used because the biggest piece of it was never activated is pure folly.

You call us thugs, but when have we ever done anything worthy of that title? All we wish for is the disarmament of Revelation, but we know that words alone do nothing to change SGPs mind. We have risen in response to Revelation, and will most likely remove ourselves from the forefront once this is over.

All we wish for is that each hacker live and grow by their own wits and not subsist on the scraps of the powerful, their potential rotting in the prison of subservience. Sniffers and Spyware exist for multiple purposes. We detest having to clean a Spyware off our virii, but we acknowledge its legitimate use as information gatherers. Only the basest of hacker would collect on a compromised virii more than once. We do know however that we have not hit anyone with Malware simply because we did not like the way they talked to us.

Once again we proclaim that we do not strive towards Revelation. In fact, if all other copies of Revelation disappear within the next 200 hours, our copies will disappear shortly after that and we will not be heard from so long as Revelation does not return.

We do know your main server still holds a copy of Revelation, and that your v1000 Password Protect still stands active on it. Of course we acknowledge that your main server deserves protection, but please forgive us for not giving you our whole trust.

It was once said that to teach a child something is to remove the sense of wonder and accomplishment that comes with discovering it on their own.

Well, it seems to be a good deal, especially since SGP has already had plans to take Tsar down.
sounds like a good ideal to me, but maybe it's because I'm lazy and it'd be fun to steal profits w/o waiting for a lot of installs, but I probably won't anyway, because that'd land me in trouble sooner or later.

I guess this is directed at me specifically since I did use the word thug to describe you, so I'll address it.

Well, let's see... My answer is: Multiple installation processes of Revelation 2.45 in an attempt to scare people into doing what you want.

Say what you will, but SGP used the Tsar weapons to target individual hackers, not the whole community. It's the difference between punishing one dog for peeing on the rug and punishing the whole litter of six dogs for one instance of it. Granted that is a bit of a simplification, but you should see my point.

Your claim that this was done to remove Revelation is overtly sane and noble, but you confess to also doing it to attack SGP specifically, so once again, you're punishing the whole community for SGP's actions--whether one agrees with SGP or not, no one wants to be punished for SGP's actions, especially those who were the targets of Tsar weapons.

This is why I call you foolhardy thugs.

Anyway, your "noble" argument is immaterial and irrelevant since SGP was already confirmed to be disarming due to it's projects that this would happen. You conveniently made it appear to be happening before the process could be completed. Congrats, you made people piss their pants unnecessarily. Great job. What heroes.

Shut up, remove your revelation copies, and practice what you preach.

[EDIT] Addendum:

On a more neutral note, I'm sure even SGP would appreciate some competition to keep the game interesting and some assistance in keeping Revelation out of the game, so I encourage you to continue to fight against Revelation.

We fail to see how launching a threat directed at SGP punishes the community as a whole. We have expressed neither sympathy nor hostility towards the community and stay out of business that does not concern us, such as ARC members disinfecting private farms. If you refer to the reset, then that is in part the fault of the entire Faith Union.

The FU was formed for one sole purpose, to prevent and eliminate any use of Revelation. SGP took advantage of their executive status and began the Tsar Weapons Project, and no one raised any serious objections, neither from within the FU or outside it. However, when an outside server acquired a copy of Revelation, it was smashed without question. Then SGP finished research and started using it on a wide range of targets, and yet no alarms were set off. You all reveled in the fact that True Light was burning in the fires of its own weapon. Unfortunately, you were all unaware that you had become monsters and turned on an organization dedicated to freeing the world from the corporate grip. Instead you clung to a new corporation and d**ned yourselves to subservience.

We take SGP's announcement of the disarming of the Tsar Weapon Project with a grain of salt. To us it is very suspicious that news of such a disarmament comes only after we have made our demands. How is SGP any different from the corporations? They give out free but obsolete software. They issue missions to eliminate its enemies. They vilify every other organization that dares cross swords with it.

As for being "noble", all we want to do is loosen SGP's stranglehold on the future. We are prepared to disarm ourselves and have it available for the public to see. We can't help but think that you are the jealous one, powerless to affect your situation. 

In actuality the Tsar Weapons were only the 2.452.   They were created after the testing of Revelations 1.0 showed promise with the ability to attack those who downloaded/bought Revelations and had it hidden behind defenses much as drzejb and riolic have done.

The Tsar Weapons though were never installed.  This was due to many factors not the least of which is the almost 5K AP Cost, high cost of servers to host the weapons, and the resources it would take to make sure there would be a disinfect ready to go every 24 hours after the initial disinfect completes.

Yes we did listen to the community as well regarding the concerns dealing with the Tsar Weapons.   And it was discussed many times over in great detail.

Now what I find most humorous is that you give a deadline of 200 hours when you know that deletes of the 2.452 takes well over 800 hours locally and 8,000 hours remotely.

I am sorry SoTL but your arguments are greatly flawed and only serve to fuel the communities distaste with you which is why you are hiding behind SoTL.  At least SGP never hid behind a name.

Now with your direct comments on private farms you have given out a great amount of info on who you are since ARC has been attacking Moen Co and Riolic directly.  Moen Co's were not even publicly known and Riolic's were only publicly revealed today.

So Moen Co and Riolic when you have the BALLS to come forth and admit your true intentions regarding Revelations especially being that YOU are the only ones with Revelations 1.0 then you may regain some respect from the community.

As is Until your copies of revelations are gone I will have the SGP Team post your private farms on the SGP forums where it is not a violation of the ToS.


Ebolla
Leader of SGP
Co-Leader of ARC
Found of the Faith Union
Co-Leader of Team SGP

Now with your direct comments on private farms you have given out a great amount of info on who you are since ARC has been attacking Moen Co and Riolic directly.  Moen Co's were not even publicly known and Riolic's were only publicly revealed today.

You said what i was goin to say Ebolla ^^.

The FU was formed for one sole purpose, to prevent and eliminate any use of Revelation. SGP took advantage of their executive status and began the Tsar Weapons Project, and no one raised any serious objections, neither from within the FU or outside it. However, when an outside server acquired a copy of Revelation, it was smashed without question. Then SGP finished research and started using it on a wide range of targets, and yet no alarms were set off. You all reveled in the fact that True Light was burning in the fires of its own weapon.

To tell the truth then none even tryed to stop SGP because we (FU) also saw the great use of revelation with it's remote attacks, we also agreed that only 3 people which was choosen would use the revelation without get thier server smashed.

You give SGP to much power. We all agreed in FU together not SGP alone, and i would like to see this so called WIDE RANGE of targets you say they attacked. The once i know about was one who cracked 2 ARC members the other is Riolic and who more? as i can see then 2 people are not much.

Edit: a bit of gramma fix i found my self. still sorry about my english.

What promise? We've already demonstrated and you have already commented that remote attacks do nothing to defend against a Revelation install. They only cause superficial damage that does not stop anything.

The deadline of 200 hours signifies the time left until our copies of Revelation are ready to be installed. The formats currently running are our intentions of upholding our portion of our demands.

The community as a whole has not shown distaste with us. In fact, our actions have splintered the community and clearly shown which hackers are on what side. We apologize that we cannot reveal ourselves publicly, but as you have shown, you are willing to accuse anyone not allied with you to try and identify who we are.

As for Moen Co and Riolic, we are unaware of whatever business you have with them. As we crawled the net today, we noticed an ARC member, sjums07 to be exact, doing two things. One, running disinfects on a large amount of file shares from the same IP. The server under attack carried no identifiers, and as such we do not know if it was Moen, Riolic, or some other player. Second, research was underway on the same server for a sniffer daemon. Now you know as well as us that you frown greatly upon the use of Spyware and Sniffer Daemons, and yet one of your members is researching it. Proof can be provided.

If Moen or Riolic are attacked we encourage them to notify us. As it is through our actions that they have been targeted unjustly we take full responsibility, and will hold SGP responsible for releasing their IPs, as well as any users who collude with SGP. In this case our offer for mutual disarmament will be retracted, and we do not hold ourselves responsible for what happens afterwards. We are not going to let you wield your power indiscriminately again.

SoTL there will always be someone who is strongest. If you look then there was alot of times where SGP could have made us all die and could make a much bigger gape betwin our power but they used thier time and AP on help the new players to also get a chance to raise I am one of those noobs.

Yes sjums07 have been disinfection a huge farm which seems to be with no limit in BW. And for the research of Sniffer Deamon then again are you right we got orders that one of us should try to begin a research on a Sniffer Deamon, but we were clearly told not to use it as password change, only to install on our server incase we got cracked.

I think you seem to know very much about a server which is constantly checked for who enter were the only one entering is Localhost, Riolic and a few ARC members and lastly HJ

But... if they have already been under deletion for a few days.. then it would not be an entirely unrealistic deadline. Depending on how many days it has been deleting....

And it shouldn't be the 8k for any reason, seeing as all three people that had been "allowed" by the FU to have it should be deleting it themselves. If they are not, then they obviously should not be in either the FU or retain the ability to host Rev.

Ok in regards to me not having balls, I'm most certain i do, I will even send you pictures as proof if you wish.
And in regards to me being SoTL.... Do you think I would truly hide behind an anonymous name to attack you guys? The answer is no, I don't have to, you do not intimidate me nor have you ever. 

Was I not the first one to openly admit to you that I was the one mass disinfecting your virii Ebolla?  Did I not even have my name on my AV's I used on you? Have I ever hidden my distatse for you or your propaganda that you use to turn the community of leeches on people who talk down about you (myself included)? Would I not even gloat that I have exploited SGP's stupidity if it were me?
 I think that all SGP is is a Group of cowards hiding behind a herd of sheep that follow them aimlessly, to hide them from the real wolves.


So, unless you are able to provide screen shots proving I am SoTL please keep your opinions to yourself.  Why not tell the truth? That you don't know who it is, and now you are panicking and trying to point blame anywhere.  Just as long as it is somewhere so your illusion of the "ALL-KNOWING ALL-POWERFUL" SGP is not ruined to the general community of HP.   Many people knew of your attacks on my personal farm before you made it 'public'.

How exactly have you demonstrated this?  There have yet to be any sincere attempts to activate revelation in-game, but when these do occur, honestly, remote attacks would be about the only things which would be effective if the player in question has half a brain.

While they don't stop the initial activation, that is hardly all that would be needed to effectively combat Revelation.  Think about it, someone installs revelation, now, obviously, the only effective means of getting rid of it is to disinfect it...  But what then?...  Short of some sort of overload attack, they now have a revelation-ready server, which stands ready to install it again.  A decent player isn't going to have the resources available on the server to run malware when revelation is installed, and will do an IP change immediately after the disinfect.  This leaves the only means of shutting down a Revelation server as using Revelations, ironically enough.

Really, for most targets it is a rather ineffective.  The 2.452, which is the max that can be installed without overloading AP, takes 163 hours to level a server (there is malware in the game that takes ~38 after instal), it gives the target a message when they are first targeted, and gives them opportunity for IP change.  Revelation can be used against virus farms just fine, because they don't do IP changes, but there is little benefit in doing this, as it just makes a farm unable to grow, prompting the owner to switch to another farm for growth.  It would be effective against farms coupled with disinfects, as we've seen, but that is about the extent of its usefulness against conventional targets.  It would however be much more effective against targets installing Revelation, or with Revelation installed, as they don't get the benefits of IP change.

I didn't really have any part in the Tsar project, but your claim was rather shortsighted, and I felt the need to correct it.

I'm not hiding behind a pseudonym and holding Revelation on servers under noobie protection over any of this. Activating Revelation, threatening to reset the game over SGP's "stranglehold" is the very definition of punishing the whole community. You are deluded if you think that the community at large has any real sympathy for you now.

Your arguments are moot. You keep reiterating the same dogma about how SGP is evil. I see no value in your statements. If you want to effect positive change, stop preaching and complete those formats without condition and prove yourselves the better.

Exousia, you need to learn to count bro, how is SoTL threatening a reset, count the revelation servers.... There are not 10 of them.... even including SGP, if they really wanted a reset would they not have made 10 servers?  Sheesh stop being so paranoid.

4 SoTL, 2 SGP, 1 whoever. Yup, seven. Thanks for pointing that out as obviously my primitive mind couldn't wrap my head around that concept.  :16:

Forgive me for being passionate about my stand, Rio, but the threat was made and the possibility existed, it was an empty threat, but it was made.  :4:

I think, however, that virtually everyone will agree that EVERYONE should just delete their Rev copies. Am I wrong? There may be a few hold outs sill thinking that a reset will solve all the problems in the game, but SoTL, SGP, ARC, TNW, etc. all claim to want the same thing, so let's just kill those Rev copies and walk away, alright? Sheesh.

I do think I have too much time on my hands right now and you know what they say about arguing on the internet.  :19: :laugh:

I agree; the problem now is who's going to disarm first.

Exactly. Who's man/woman/men/women enough to do it first? Nothing's going to be solved until the disarmament is completed otherwise we got ourselves a cold-war on HP.

Yeah, but a cold war where anybody with a bit of cash can get all the nukes they want, so much worse than just a cold war.

That being said, I think I see a way through this. If SGP doesn't install any revs, and has no install processes running, and has deletes running, that would be a show of good intent such that SoTL could format without worries. Then if SGP backslides, apart from looking like jerks, they'll give SoTL a chance to nuke us all.  That should be enough deterrent that SoTL can delete their Revs without fear.

SoTL? SGP? Does this sound at all reasonable, or am I on crack? :P

Couple of points of interest.

1> Activating Revelations 2.452 takes almost 5K AP.
2> Disinfecting Revelations 2.452 takes almost 2.5K AP.
3> Deleting Revelations 2.452 takes over 800 hours locally and 8,000 hours remotely
4> Activation time of Revelations 2.452 takes more than 10 days.
5> Disinfecting Revelations 2.452 takes more than 10 days.
6> If SoTL does activate even just 1 of the Revelations it will mean game over for everyone as there is no way to stop a reset at that point.
7> SGP saw this which is why SGP never activated Revelations 2.452 (Tsar Pushka and Tsar Bomba).
8> The Faith Union was aware of everything SGP was doing even up to and including allowing a 3rd Tsar Weapon to be installed by ANY PERSON in the Faith Union.
9> SGP has never bullied, repeatidly attacked, or otherwise harm another players server unless they attacked ANYONE in the Faith Union or tried installing a copy of Revelations.  SoTL which has shown themselves through their own actions to be Pro-Rev (Why else would their activations be the ONLY activations still in the process of installing?) has done the above to several weaker members who belonged to the Faith Union.


Now taking all the above into account the only ones who have shown malice intent is SoTL.  As such any and all SoTL Servers are open for attack by any and all.  As well as the fact that Faith 2.5 is available for any and ALL to download.

I will be making a post on the SGP forums of Moen Co's and Riolic's servers as well as drzejb's servers since Riolic has been using his servers to try and mask his activities.

As an added bonus any player who VI's and Disinfect's any of the above mentioned player's virii will get an upgrade to the software of their choice by at least V10.0.  That means if they have a V100 software then I will make them at my own expense a V110 Software.  But it must be proven via Screenshots and Log entries that you are the one who did the damage to the above.

SoTL through their actions, statements, and past histories have shown themselves to be Pro-Revelations.

The only way these actions will be stopped will be by SoTL all coming forward and admitting who they are instead of hiding behind a mask, as well as the deletion of all of their copies of Revelations.  This is non-negotiable as the Faith Union will not bow to terrorist activities.

This will be the last statement by the leadership of SGP, ARC, or the Faith Union dealing with SoTL.


Ebolla

I'm sure SGP or other members of the faith union could have realized activation/disinfect times on the revelation virus with a few simple calculations... So that raises this question again, why did you make it?  Is it because you don't think ahead? Or because you truly wanted a reset but still wanted to have a good PR going into the next round?

OK now onto this one, I have no attacked SGP or any FU members since the founding of the FU, I doubt I have connected to a secret server except to gain my copy of the .1 faith and for an occasional mission while i was researching my v 31 deleter/undeleter combo.
So... why was i bombed? was it because you are scared of me? or is it because you feel the need to bully anyone who isnt on your side? I bet that's it, isn't it?

Okay, way to ignore me there. I don't want this round to end, work with me here, Ebolla. And SoTL, you haven't even answered yet, at least v-man bothered posting!



On an unrelated note:

SGP hit me unprovoked. Twice. For, as I've stated previously, over 3 million HPD worth of damages.  I hadn't attacked anybody in FU; I hadn't attacked ANYBODY in several months, because I'd spent all my AP on creating farms. And I obviously hadn't screwed around with Rev.  So, just to set the record straight, SGP isn't a bunch of angels.

EDIT: In all fairness, the second time was a case of mistaken identity.

And yet the two players who were targets of the Tsar Weapons deny any wrongdoing.

We wish to reiterate that riolic and Moen have nothing to do with our current activities. If what we say is true, then attacking their servers unprovoked again may simply add more sympathizers to our cause. We stand by our promise made earlier to retaliate on their behalf if any member of the FU follows this order.

In our wish to work towards disarmament we would like an estimate on when SGPs copies of Revelation will be deleted. We will give them enough time to complete said deletions, and not activate Revelation until after that deadline. However, again we emphasize that attacking a third parties server in the conflict between you and us will void this agreement and we will not forestall the activation of our Revelations. The deletion of our copies depends on your actions and replies.

As for terrorists, you have shown the signs of terrorism yourself. You use fear and threats of violence to force information out of hackers that you have no right or use for, other than your own curiosity. You threaten the safety of players not involved in our conflict, directly instructing your allies to attack their servers. The fact of the matter is, we are both terrorists right now, and neither of us is in the right. We simply hold the upper hand.

I got something to say SoTL because it seems like you dont keep your own word. take a look at this

Action Sel #ID Type Details Version CPU Mem Band
Kill  1018755 Kernel log delete file #263547 Revelation Virus V 0.1 [Owned][234.253.178.201], 332h 59m 14s  0.1 0 0 0
Kill  1018075 Kernel  activate virii file #263547 Revelation Virus V 0.1 [localhost], 9h 45m 0s  0.1 10000 600000 400

Where was the format again? I don't seem to see it.

Stop play so noble and think you are doing this for the good sake because its easy to see your not. So stop your s*** so we can contiune to play this game.

Okay, there are now nine, count them, nine copies of Rev out there and one's installed. Who's paranoid now?

Yeah and SoTL dont keep his word with the format ^^

What the hell, it's on an Icarus server!
*a seeeecrett Icarus server  :19: *

There also came a new SoTL server ^^ and to tell the truth then both Riolic and Conome buyed a server at the same time ^^

lol.... i made a new farm server so sue me? and to your comment about the format i see one running as of the time i checked it....

I only mentioned the quantity of Rev servers, the insinuations as to owners and etc. are those of the individual posters. Let's just get rid of them, shall we?

So he began the format when i told it ^^ good to know he really does care even though i still dont trust this guy.

Riolic i dont say you are the one who did it. I dont belive he would be stupid enough to buy the servers as the time go, i belive he buyed them before he put revelation on the servers, i just gave some information ^^

I'm not going to rest easily until they're gone. I don't care now who did what, just as long as it goes away.

Alright, I stopped reading at page 8, right about here:

such as ARC members disinfecting private farms.

Riolic, the person who had his file shares disinfected, is the ONLY person outside of ARC that was aware of this operation.

As such, I can conclude SoTL consists of AT LEAST, Riolic.

I'd also like to note that I am not afraid of you, SoTL, Because SGP has and always will be the dominant force in this game. You can not overthrow us. Your flawed logic and pure stupidity on the whole subject simply makes me laugh. The fact that you think I shut down the Tsar Bomba because of you is simply hilarious. Like I said, it was gone HOURS before you even had any Revelation virii. So shove it.

You guys are pathetic.

? what's that about?

It shows that both Riolic and Conome got another server from after the new SoTL server came

- riolic
- Conome
- crazyraver
- human



So, let's get some explaining done, pretty quickly.

OFF:HJ, Get on IRC Please, I have some nasty things for you.

Good, because once I find out who's behind this SoTL crap, there will be some hell to pay.

This comes directly from ME. I have not even consulted Ebolla, SGP, ARC, TNW, etc for about 24 hours now. So before you go punishing the whole community, come see ME. Stop hiding, little newbs.

So, you're getting on IRC or not?

What the heck...  Have I not explained once that I have contact with other people? stop accusing my of stuff I'm not even a part of.

So then, you've contacted SoTL about your servers getting disinfected?


Aww, poor baby, can't even fight back.

Oh wait you did, by attacking my ALT account. OBVIOUSLY I can't fight back on that one, and from there I get put into a dilemma because I don't want to break ToS by hacking you with my main.

YOU'RE pathetic, Riolic. Grow up, I don't even want to hear from you again until you're ready to fight fair.

i was contacted*

and how am i not fighting fair?

This entire topic is tl;dr, I just read the last page and all I know is that SGP wants to kick me in the nuts (again). Look, all I have to say is that between work, family, and a new car, I haven't been concentrating as much as I can be on HP. All I've been doing is working my farm, research, and keeping an eye on my servers, which takes like, an hour a day. Only person I've seen try anything with my farm is just Ebolla, and I'd like it to stay that way.

1 - I crack your farm
2 - you crack my alt account
3 - you fail at life

that took it past the line of insultiness....
"you fail at life"
cmon brighten up your insults

OMGZORZIE U R TEH PHAILZ0R @ L13F

I cracked your alt on an unrelated note, he was just someone to play with. You think I knew it was your alt before then? No I didn't.  I don't even pay attention to forums unless one of my friends let me know I am being blamed/flamed for something that i had no part of.... I had 1 Post before this thread and the one about the guy who used the .1 rev virus... I hack people for fun, and for something to keep me entertained while I wait for my installs on my farm to be done, get the heck over yourself....

alright, k3mp.

I've had enough of your nonsense. Ask ZakQuicksilver what that gets you.

Ask Arthur Dent where that gets you.

Ask Jake where that gets you..

The list goes on, of those petty little nothings (With exception to Zak, he's actually improved his game, that or quit, i dont know) who don't know when to shut the hell up.

I'll now send the dogs after your IP, and I'll show you how insulting I can be.

You fail, even more. Go sthingy with k3mp.

"On an unrelated note", riolic cracked the ARC repository and uploaded + installed malware, along with attempting to install every other virus on there. What a piece of work.

To this day I offer you a trade, my main IP for yours. You're the coward who TO THIS DAY rejects the offer. Continue picking on my alt, I'll show you how much I care. Is the malware still there? I haven't even logged in.

Are you trying to tell me I can't say the word Sthingy?

S-p-o-o-n


ROFL @ EMI

stop taking this game so seriously, remember its a game. go on, hack my box of pixels and see if i give a nuts. in the end its a game,if you choose to take it too far thats your problem,

go on, hack my box of pixels and see if i give a nuts. in the end its a game,if you choose to take it too far thats your problem,

Okay.

meh this should be in the suggestions forum but what the hell, how about changing the name of this game too... defcon-wannabes-without-the-showgirls-and-psp-hacking-and-humor

How about:
frequently-screwed-one-of-a-kind-hacker-thingy.

how about; k3mp, you're nothing and never will be.

If you could stop running your mouth, you'd learn a lesson a bit faster.

If you dont like the game, go somewhere else. Until then I will react to YOUR reactions as I see fit. That makes YOU the bully. I'm the one responding.

I'm just a few ranks ahead of him,
but I have sucky crackers  :16:

now your insulting me and trying to degrade my self esteem?

frankly i love this game, just not the people in it. thats not all of you. some of you are really nice.
and by what ive read you are pretty much overly agressive even when unprovoked.
and you act like your my superior somehow, your not my teacher, your no better than me apart from the boundless numbers on a database somewhere remote. and if your reacting to my reactions, meaning i was reacting from something YOU did doesnt that make you the bully?

and i got low crackers too :(

It sucks, does it not?
Can barely crack anything..

im stuck with the the ones just under 0.5 from the public resp
its enough to get into any private stores of the lower clans(shadow hackers i know where you live  :16:)

mm i should look for some sorta clan-group thing

I've actually traded some software with some awesome people   :16:
so now I have a few decent programs.

yea, whats ur bw anyways? out of personal enquiry, i mean im like half your power i think and only have 105

lol...I have 105 to.
8,425/9,000 Mhz CPU 94%, 434,882/536,576 Kb Mem 81%, 0.00/105 Kbs Bandwidth 0%

lol
load average 2,283/3,650 Mhz CPU 63%, 134,039/186,368 Kb Mem 72%, 0.00/113 Kbs Bandwidth 0%
just bought some more, yea i know my computer couldnt calculate the amount of nipples on a dog but w/e i dont really use software since im still getting a reliable income

I'm just looking for potential virii farms in secret servers  :)

meh i found some clans newbie respitory, yep i do believe my first uploaded file share :D

good for you, I'm planning to use v1 adware, but a v.1 fileshare is probably worth it.  :)

yea cant wait for my own virii farms, also... i think it sucks how i cant donate.. :(
hell im doing surveys now to get enough cash for gold.
i have 5.70 points which is like 5.70 dollars (meh im british)

Poor poor thek3mp. I shouldn't have spent money on a game, but I couldn't resist. Fortunately I have a job, but I really should have been spending my money more wisely. Fortunately, my wife likes me to have something to do other than pace about the house and post on forums, so she lets me spend money on games.  :laugh:

$20 for a year!
What a steal!!!!*


*Steal void in North Korea, South Africa, Myanmar, Anywhere Chuck Norris is, police stations, Canada, France, Hungary, France, Brazil, France, Germany, annnnd, France.

i do have the money to donate but not the means to do so, so i have to resort to this patheticly mind fumbling survey crap

That's even worse! You're just gaining points on my "poor guy" list. (Edited for forum just in case.)

PayPal converts currencies for you and stuff, you gotta have a bank account, though, but it takes credit cards, etc. processes all that crap for you. It's what I use.

In a subsequent post we mentioned that we stumbled across the ARC member disinfecting said file shares, but did not stop the disinfects as we did not know who the server belonged to. We have screenshots of said processes. That alone should disqualify Riolic as one of us.

So you admit you did have the Tsar Bomba active on your servers then! Another lie revealed. And we highly doubt that Tsar Bomba was gone before we acquired them, since we own the only copy of the v1.0. Do you think it's merely coincidence that we acquired a copy of Tsar Bomba hours before WE destroyed it? Folly.

We worry about you HJ. Having to rely on a propaganda machine mired in its own lies. Even worse, you can't see the leash Ebolla uses to control you. Granted it is a very long leash, but it is a leash none the less.

Okay, this is unclear. Who destroyed HJ's Rev? Ebolla says HJ did, SoTL says they did. Let's make it clear, huh?

I don't know nor care who disinfected it.

Now SoTL, let's not forget something here; I never even HAD the Tsar Bomba. The 1.0 Rev's are NOT the Tsar weapons. Sheesh you're an idiot. Mine was named differently because it is the Tsar Bomba SERVER.

My "Killing of the Tsar Bomba" was simply dropping the server used for it. Why? So I can make a file share farm out of it. This was long before any instance of SoTL, and I HAVE LOGS TO PROVE IT.

Also, Ebolla's "leash" on me is non-existent. Where have you ever seen Ebolla disallow any actions I've made? Where have you ever seen Ebolla give me an ORDER that wasn't designed for the community as a whole?

You still sit here and act like you can just walk in and take control over the game. You are wrong, for you fail in one thing and that's putting fear into my eyes, for I do not care if the game resets, and I know for a FACT that I can replace ANYTHING you try to destroy.

The only worry you should have for me is pretty simple: When I find out who you're hiding behind, there will be hell to pay bigger than anything you can come up with against me.

Oh let's not argue about technicalities. The term Tsar Weapons Project applies to all researched copies of Revelation, installed or not.

We have existed for over a month now. Our official announcement was a planned step. We doubt you have any official logs to prove this, since it's been longer than they usually exist, unless you had the foresight necessary to take screenshots of the logs.

Ebolla has not heeled your actions, but he has heeled your behavior. I suppose this is a good thing, or else you would have been banned from the forums and games more than once.

We know you have no fear in your eyes. In fact, we think you're incapable of fear. Which is somewhat admirable.

He has also done nothing to my behavior. I have limits, too, you know? For example, not turning on SGP and attempting a reset myself. There are a number of things I could have done.

Sorry, but I had to answer to this post before reading all the 12 pages of thread:


HJ: Do not merge me into this thing of rev activating. I am not even gold, so I cannot rename servers, so I cannot be SoTL. I do not have any alt account.

Yes, I am human ingame.

Relax yourself.

I don't/didn't have relationships/comunication with Conome, riolic or crazyraver in/out the game. Ever.

PS: BTW: I do not look at this forums a lot, and many times I look at them I do not answer unless it involves me directly.

I cannot crack top players, neither myself, so if someone took my servers name/description (the default ones, I have not gold) and setted for hims/hers ones, I would like to have the IPs and give them a visit, and whoever who wants to help me destroying servers that are used for impersonating me will be welcome.

Now, getting into the general chat of the thread:

Did not rev needed being activated by 10 people (10 times, as each user can only activate once) for starting a reset?

Or does the news/guide fails a that point?

Now, getting into the general chat of the thread:

Did not rev needed being activated by 10 people (10 times, as each user can only activate once) for starting a reset?

Or does the news/guide fails a that point?

yes there needs to be 10 revelations aktivated before revelation happens also only 1 revelation each person which is why i think they only got 5 servers and 1 aktive because they are not 10 people crazy enough to piss the hole playerbase off.

Another thing is they have begone to use 0.1 revelations which is not hard to disinfect so i belive once again they are out of people who want to support them.

And just a piece of information. When Riolic cracked me i followed his bounce and quess which server it stopped at?

The new SoTL server. No new bounce from there. Either Riolic really is a part of SoTL or then SoTL helped Riolic with what Riolic told was his doing.

Don't forget that there are other people out there who would want to see revelation activated. The many revelation copies out there might push them.

Lol

I don't think it'll happen. I just connected to one of the SoTL servers with my Chat server, and unless they cancel the format, they could take out the ones that take longest to format. Here's to NOT having doomsday *crosses fingers*.

EDIT: Huh. There might be some way to game the system, by having formats ready all the time, and some v.1 Revs constantly installing. . . I'll figure it out when I'm not exhausted, but if somebody else wants to put their brain's CPU cycles towards it. . . :P

errr. kid my bounce ended at a dead IP by the time you would have been able to track me, so don't go about giving false info, besides you can't even touch my deleter....  Also, I AM NOT SoTL
Get it straight, any actions I take against SGP I always take account for. Why? Because I am proud that i am one of the few who is not intimidated by them, they do not scare me, never have, and never will.

It can be i cant touch it ^^ but remember im not the only ARC player ohh and i still would like to know why the ending ip is SoTL?

Yes but the Tsar Bomba version of Revelation have been named like that for a reason. Only way to win against that one being installed is to get lucky that there are not enough people wiling to nuke the game.

Or to not have it exist. I believe we are stepping away from the precipice; I've looked at the servers, and with the exception of Ebolla's main, which I can't get into, they're all deleting/formatting. If they all go through with it, the game ought to be safe again. Also, could somebody PLEASE squash drzjeb? He's researching Rev, somebody needs to nuke the hell out of him.

to tell you the truth then i have uploaded malware and tryed to bomb him and deleting the file but Riolic like to protect him ^^

Just ask Ebolla or HJ (most likely HJ) for that xD

hmm i still dont like the bug with one revelation aktive without there is one ^^

I got one once, killed remote uploads and hacked you guys, i haven't been in any servers besides my own and one other persons since then, so, shut up and stop accusing me of stuff i didn't do show proof or GTFO.

^^ i just like to mess with you Riolic ^^

Riolic, do you honestly think we all respect you with your way of being? ^^ nhaa :p

theres respect, and theres being a jackass. screenies or it didnt happen is my approach to accusations...

well Riolic did it once why shouldent he do it again? ^^

we could say the same about sgp developing revelation. but we dont so.....

I agree that SGP took the revelation resreach to far but i also understand why they wanted too.

im out of AP.... currently have a grand total of 23..... not even enough for a crack+upload....

I cant keep track of how much AP you got ^^ and you should regain some ^^

I think its funny how your server number increas every time a new revelation server pops up Riolic ^^   :shifty:

i think its funny how i know why and you dont

I think it's funny that you guys think that one person could activate that many Revs.  :laugh: Even if it is Rio, he's gonna need help and I'm not entirely sure whether or not you can activate it on the same person's servers. Certainly the same account can't activate each copy, but does that also mean that the same sever owner can't host them all? Probably could, but still, that's a beefy gold FTP server and a bit of collusion.

Actually, I'm pretty sure Emi said you couldn't host Rev on a gold. Just so you know.

so you know who SoTL is? ^^ or you watch over Riolic more then i do?  :21:

well he can host ^^ but not complete the install ^^ so it could be Riolic just to scar us all ^^

Yes, forgot about that. Back to the purchase and plop idea. I'm just waking up.  :bodyguard:

My theories are my own. I'm sure we all have theories about SoTL. I'm just not convinced that it's Rio.

I'm not scarred :P  But seriously, SoTL didn't worry me. This new one, though, that does, a bit.

Yes, a Rev that does not show up on the list that's also installed. That's got to be a bug or a major exploit of some kind.

yeah i already posted it under bugs hope sir emi soon say something to it

Actually, I was talking about the "Start of Something New". SoTL and SGP both say they don't want Doomsday, but whoever this new schmuck is, he seems to want it.

I'm not convinced that SoTL doesn't want it. There seems also a growing sentiment that it's unavoidable and will solve all the game's problems, so a lot of independents are attempting and going to attempt it.

i think the 1 out of 10 installed error is just delayed. because one of the sotl have been formatted

It was not formated it was disinfected

either way its probably just updating slowly leave it an hour and it should be ok(the majority of emisother stuff takes an hour to refresh)

It's been there more then an hour ^^ its been there since i eat 3-4 hours ago

I also saw it go to zero last night after the disinfect. When I woke up this morning (afternoon) it had 1 out of 10 and no visible install.

 That was the drjzeb one, I believe. I too, saw it at zero last night, but have no clue what's going on now.

If it was ever going to update on its own, it probably would've done it at midnight game time, it didn't.

yea its been like 2 days now. bit strange, however it would take emi less than 5 minutes to sort this out.. anybody have an idea if hes working on this yet?

All I know is that things are slowing down. The boards and mIRC are quiet. I'm watching the countdowns on the SoTL servers, and seeing no change in their position. No word, no news, no nothing. I feel a bit restless but also quite helpless, so I'm using this time to experiment so that, no matter what happens, I'm better prepared for it.

I must admit that I wish something would happen, just to end the stagnation, or at least justify it.

He finaly replyed on my post in the bug sektion and said it was just a slow update.

Anyway if you cant get information from others then collect it your self. Try to crack drzejb everytime you can i will make sure his defenses stay down.

I find it odd that someone who is ranked 28th would risk everything he has trying to reset. Could a person have renamed his servers to hide? Or is it some Polish player who doesn't read the forums.

It is some Polish player who doesn't read the forums.

In any event, we should have his servers under siege by as many people as possible, so that we have round the clock attacks going on. He'll either have to give up or say awake for the weeks or whatever it takes to complete a reset.

Tonight, we dine, IN HELL!!!!!
Okay then, seriously now, we need to crush the revelations that are online or may come online, and we need the v1s and v2.48s down a-sap!*
*so they won't stela them off the Best in HP!

The problem right now is that his hard drive is full. Something about Rev needs fixing, cause right now, if you build a server perfectly sized, your server is untouchable.

Just more lessons to remember for next time.  :7:

I say we flood him with disinfects and hit his logs and find out what else he's up to. He's gotta have virii farms financing this so let's find those and hit him where it hurts. These people wanna pay dirty, let's play dirty! :diablo:

Yes, both of these people need some good funding, but he would have had to connect to one of the farms within 72 hours, and that's easy to avoid.

"Start of Something New" is obviously a gold account and that makes it even more difficult, but drzejb is not. He's commanding the Rev server directly, however, if his threat is genuine, he's gotta activate it some time.

If he's anything but a fool, he didn't connect to that server AT ALL. He just bought the hardware, bought or DLed the software, and ran with it. Unfortunately, that means the only thing you're going to get tracing off that server are the IPs of all the other people doing the SAME d**n THING.

Also, d a m n shouldn't be censored. It isn't obscene, it's profane, and we are the godless heathens of the internet, so profanity shouldn't be an issue.

Yes, we just have the obscenely low chance of finding his IP from the marketeer
I suggest that someone put a bounty on (the IP of) all servers that can be traced to those two!

I've seen at least 3 people (besides me) who have been going after that Drzejb server.

The problem: The guy starts a IP change and PW change after he activated the last one.

The bad: It is also getting a bit harder to crack him seeing that the server is currently in the process of receiving a V101 PW protect and has completed a V49 firewall download. Both are a significant upgrade from the old firewall (V15) and PW protect (11).

The good: HD capacity has been upgraded to 50 GB. That should allow people to play bomberman with the server :)

it sure is a good thing that most of us (by us I mean the top 25 or so) can crack those defences still, so it is not really a problem, the problem is just finding the servers...

lol do you know what happens when you click Revelation day?

And you should be a top player zZz

I'd like to know where that PW protect being uploaded to Drzejb is coming from. The upload has not been initiated on the server having Revelation so to be able to upload malware it has to be chucked out on the other side.

btw, if you had looked before the ip change, the firewall and password protect were being downloaded from one of his other servers...