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Title: I'm bored.
Post by: HJ® on October 07, 2008, 05:56:12 PM
Can you tell? The happenings in this game are slowly dying. I think it's time for a change.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: virus man on October 07, 2008, 05:57:39 PM
Well the trouble I tried to stir up netted nothing.  It is like no one really cares anymore.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: HJ® on October 07, 2008, 06:04:17 PM
It's almost making me begin thinking about rubbing a big magnet on the HDD of Hacker Project.

Thank god for the Faith Union. That'll keep my head on straight.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: Nagitof on October 07, 2008, 06:07:18 PM
How about you start cracking down hard on all the poeple using malware. Someone is and it getting annoying.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: HJ® on October 07, 2008, 06:15:06 PM
Uhh, Maybe you should learn about the faith union.


A good chunk of those Malwares are mine. try and disinfect.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: HJ® on October 07, 2008, 06:16:31 PM
And its not like I'm running out of things to do - that list is endless in HP - it's just that it's becoming less and less interactive every day. A lot of players have stopped playing. Possibly having to do with having 4 players dominate the game. Possibly having to do with Revelation. Possibly having to do with lack of interaction with old updates.

Like I've said before, most of the last major updates have done nothing but hurt the player base, but are good for the game in general.

It's just ****ing time for a reset or something, that's all.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: Trael on October 07, 2008, 06:41:55 PM
It's just ****ing time for a reset or something, that's all.

Amazingly, I totally ***king agree.


And I'll tell you why, all because of the groups, when there is a group where every1 is the "top X<=10"  you have nowhere to strive.
How about Revelating the HP world, will be much more fun, and no "top X<=10" groups..


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: Seb on October 07, 2008, 06:47:43 PM
Or, you guys could start a genocide on X set of players, or something that would break the game into thirds or something that are constantly bombing each other w/ malware and virii
just put everyone on their toes, that'd be interesting.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: RavenXP on October 07, 2008, 06:51:36 PM
Well perhaps because nobody can catch up with you guys.

Added to this is that you can crack everybody and buy everybody's IP and threatening every players not withing Faith Union to comply with everything that you want. If that will be the case, then nobody will challenge you guys and soon you will also get bored and quit.

Added to this is the setbacks of not limiting the software levels so in 1 year time you can have version 1,000,000.x Password Protect and nobody can crack you anymore and you can stir up every players for nothing and they quit.

Who would want to challenge you guys if you can just bomb them with malwares and they are unable to hide? The power of IP change is already nerfed so perhaps its time to nerf research, nerf max software levels, nerf Purchase IP, nerf max virii income and some more nerfing so the game would be balanced.

In all games it is about balance of power, if the top players cannot be challenged, then sooner or later the game will die.
Just my 2 cents. :bodyguard:


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: HJ® on October 07, 2008, 06:53:43 PM
Okay but you dont realize Seb.

Even if I was attacked with Malware right now, I could EASILY repair my hardware or replace my software before you could do any real damage.

The top 4 to my knowledge are almost completely unmoveable. And while yes this is a goal for most of us, those of us who have been here the entire time don't exactly enjoy it so much.

To RavenXP: If you had the power, you'd be doing the exact same thing.

You make some good points, but I dont think anything needs to be nerfed. In fact I think some things need to be brought back to life. And a reset would do this.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: Araeus on October 07, 2008, 06:56:01 PM
I think there needs to be more depth than just researching and hardware upgrades.  Something to add more strategy to the game.  It's pretty much a grindfest right now...


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: HJ® on October 07, 2008, 06:56:48 PM
Yeah I agree. I think there should be more depth in cracking and group work.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: Trael on October 07, 2008, 07:08:22 PM
But still, a wipe would bring more    :) :13: and  :5:  than  :confused2: :2: and  :4: , for most of the players.
Maybe you should really think about activating 10 revelations..


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: HJ® on October 07, 2008, 07:20:03 PM
But still, a wipe would bring more    :) :13: and  :5:  than  :confused2: :2: and  :4: , for most of the players.

This is exactly what I'm starting to think....


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: Trael on October 07, 2008, 07:25:33 PM
So go on and make some something to bring happiness upon the HP world.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: Seb on October 07, 2008, 07:27:55 PM
 :death:  I just got a toehold in this game!
I have so much to do!  :10:

:rip2: It'll be a real downer  :13:


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: RavenXP on October 07, 2008, 08:07:45 PM
To RavenXP: If you had the power, you'd be doing the exact same thing.

Yes perhaps, but then as you have told a lot of times, it gets very boring when you're at the top.
You have no competition. Unlike us in the middle, we get hunted a lot of times so we learn to hide.

You make some good points, but I dont think anything needs to be nerfed. In fact I think some things need to be brought back to life. And a reset would do this.

How about place the nerfs in another world? HP world 2?
Not everyone would like resets so let's move the changes to another world and be competitive again, hacking each other to get those rare 1k missions just like before?  :laugh:


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: virus man on October 07, 2008, 08:22:49 PM
I think the major problem is the way the secret servers are designed.

Think about it.  they are approaching 3.0 protects now.  If what SE said is true then there is literally 1 secret per 9 players at this point.

That means VERY little interaction or competition.

That is one of the reasons I had hoped Sir Emi would have taken the old SGP suggestion about letting the existing servers become more powerful as time goes.  If that had happened back at 400 secret servers then we would have a great deal more interaction and a lot more competition.

And I believe you can all admit that I have tried time and time again just like a few others to make the game more interesting for the upper ranks.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: RavenXP on October 07, 2008, 08:47:32 PM
So there's abundant source of secret servers but less interaction. You are right there.
What if there's only around 50 secret servers? That would be a definite fight for resources.

But all the secret servers are almost owned by top 20 players and the new players are afraid to take them because they are not yet capable to invade those servers because of fear. Now VI appears and suddenly everyone is afraid to use Virus Breaker for their identity to be revealed.  :14:


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: virus man on October 07, 2008, 09:02:31 PM
I took down the SGP claims list some time ago.  Not because off the number of servers but simply because of the change in SGP's tactics.

In fact the only ones "claiming" servers are Jake and ummm Jake.  I don't even think TNW is claiming servers anymore and I know EoD never did a server claim thread over at the SGP forums.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: Araeus on October 07, 2008, 09:18:42 PM
TNW has never claimed servers.  I know that I "claim" servers such as, hey some douche av'd one of "my" farms, but we've never had a listing of servers we claimed as our own.

Anywhere you see a "TNW Claimed Server" sniffer, that is RavenXP, and I've been exterminating those with extreme prejudice.

Although I agree fewer servers would be more interesting, just look at the public servers.  Would you like every server in the game to look like that?  Especially with the AP system, people would just be throwing their AP into disinfecting and reinfecting until they couldn't do anything else. 

I still think a skill system would be a good start, that way people can start to see benefits from actions they perform in game.  Gain skill in cracking, infecting, and such and maybe you speed up your installs or cracks a little bit, or maybe you slightly decrease your overload cost or increase your HPD per bw ratio.  Stuff like that. 


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: Seb on October 07, 2008, 09:27:53 PM
If you did that, you could make it as:
you have x VI skill
you can decrease VI time by x%/xsec/xmin by expending xAP and/or xHPD


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: RavenXP on October 07, 2008, 09:33:33 PM
Anywhere you see a "TNW Claimed Server" sniffer, that is RavenXP, and I've been exterminating those with extreme prejudice.

Awwww bad VI update bad VI update bad VI update bad VI update bad VI update.  :13:
I used it to track Riolic. Now thanks to VI I realized its not Riolic that I should track but Neo.

Although I agree fewer servers would be more interesting, just look at the public servers.  Would you like every server in the game to look like that?  Especially with the AP system, people would just be throwing their AP into disinfecting and reinfecting until they couldn't do anything else.

How about if we nuke 90% of the servers? And disinfect all virii inside after nuking them so nobody could use it.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: virus man on October 07, 2008, 09:45:11 PM
Anywhere you see a "TNW Claimed Server" sniffer, that is RavenXP, and I've been exterminating those with extreme prejudice.

Awwww bad VI update bad VI update bad VI update bad VI update bad VI update.  :13:
I used it to track Riolic. Now thanks to VI I realized its not Riolic that I should track but Neo.

Although I agree fewer servers would be more interesting, just look at the public servers.  Would you like every server in the game to look like that?  Especially with the AP system, people would just be throwing their AP into disinfecting and reinfecting until they couldn't do anything else.

How about if we nuke 90% of the servers? And disinfect all virii inside after nuking them so nobody could use it.


Magna Carta has already been doing that.  He is the one that has been nuking Secret Servers back to beginner stats.  I have caught him multiple times as have others from SGP and TnW who have been investigating it.  He was going to be the first target of the Tsar project but now we got a new target /evilgrin


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: Araeus on October 07, 2008, 09:55:51 PM
If you did that, you could make it as:
you have x VI skill
you can decrease VI time by x%/xsec/xmin by expending xAP and/or xHPD

I was thinking more of a passive deal.

You have X cracking skill, which decreases your cracking time by a fraction proportional to X, or decrease your cracker resource requirement and/or overload resources by a fraction proportional to X.  You would probably choose one (speedy cracking or easy cracking or such and such), and decreases wouldn't be -huge- but definitely noticeable.  Then, for every second you spend running a crack you gain some skill based on the level of the protect you are cracking.  That means people with speedy cracking would get maybe a little less but they could run more cracks in a given time, while easy cracking people could run more parallel cracks (if they knew how to do it).  Would require some balancing and such but it could definitely make everything much more interesting.  (Maybe data hijack skill could decrease the level of encryption on the captured file, or completely remove it at a certain point making the virus actually almost useful)

Maybe someone is so good with sniffer virii that they have an invisible sniffer virii installed on their gateway, the running process of which is hidden unless you run a high enough unhider.  That could be some sort of epic skill that you need to get to a certain research point and skill on a file, then maybe do some training (like researching a file) and you get some sort of bonus or ability.

I know that this would be a ton of work to implement since it would require almost every portion of the game to be reworked, but hey, just my 2 cents.

How about if we nuke 90% of the servers? And disinfect all virii inside after nuking them so nobody could use it.

Last time that happened Emi just reset all of them I believe  :14:


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: RavenXP on October 07, 2008, 09:58:09 PM
Magna Carta has already been doing that.  He is the one that has been nuking Secret Servers back to beginner stats.  I have caught him multiple times as have others from SGP and TnW who have been investigating it.  He was going to be the first target of the Tsar project but now we got a new target /evilgrin

Awww that won't fit to my servers, and it will take time for you to transfer that big file with my 5kbps bandwidths. :5:


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: Seb on October 07, 2008, 10:00:41 PM
You have 5kbs?!  :13:


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: Nagitof on October 07, 2008, 10:06:31 PM
If what SE said is true then there is literally 1 secret per 9 players at this point.

With the fact that only 1 for every 20 players still play, so its more like 2 secret servers per player. I like the idea of nuking the servers. Also Emi had stopped the advertisment of this game. Round one is a test on how the game works, Emi is just testing this for the way we like the game, what he will do to improve it next round, how we react to him. I think that this round is only a BETA version of the game. I think Emi has a whole list of updates and addons that he will but into play once the serevr restarts. I personaly think there should be another server (world 2, like HJ suggested). That way he can start getting new members to play, more PvP, more programs, new updates, and our ideas that we give actualy get put into the game. All that and this round doesnt get restarted.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: Xirad on October 07, 2008, 10:50:38 PM
Well, I suppose I will add my 2 cents, if it's even worth 2 cents, lol.

Even if we reset this server, it would only change things for awhile. The people and groups that got to the top ten got there because of the tactics they used. Ruthless tactics(in some cases), lol, but very effective. So yea, it would make it even, and there may be a few close runners for the top ten. But ultimately it would probably be the same people at the top in a month.

However I do like ^'s idea.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: virus man on October 07, 2008, 11:09:56 PM
Magna Carta has already been doing that.  He is the one that has been nuking Secret Servers back to beginner stats.  I have caught him multiple times as have others from SGP and TnW who have been investigating it.  He was going to be the first target of the Tsar project but now we got a new target /evilgrin

Awww that won't fit to my servers, and it will take time for you to transfer that big file with my 5kbps bandwidths. :5:

That's alright.  The Tsar project needs not your bandwidth with which to hurt you.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: Trael on October 07, 2008, 11:44:34 PM
Yeah, some depth should be added into the game.

I think that SE should publicize some kind of competition where the winner of the best idea for the depth will win X period of golden acc.
The idea will be voted by all HP user, via the game-not the forums as not much ppl actually entering the forum.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: Exousia on October 08, 2008, 12:28:56 AM
From what I'm reading, it seems to boil down to three things....

1) Give the vets something to do. We need beefier servers. There should be at least one secret server spawned every once in a while with a v1.0 boost above the max bypass and break software owned by the players and some way, perhaps a data file code quest type thingie, to find it. Also, purchasing IPs may be detrimental to the thrill of "finding" servers and the data file suggestion may give an alternative to IP purchase. If this means that there's a v1500 protection server out there somewhere, so be it. Hunting for servers will also be much more fun than simply purchasing IPs IMHO.

2) Advertise the game. There is the HP partner program even if SE won't/can't advertise it--so no reason we can't support advertising ourselves. Bringing in some fresh blood will definitely add to the experience, but we need to be able to retain them with an active community. This means those who are in the top 10 have a responsibility both to help educate the noobs and give them something to shoot for. With higher version protection on servers out there, it also gives mid-range goals and downloadable software to help the noob/intermediate players compete. Version 3.0 protects may be on par with the average given the number of inactive players and increasing the number of active players may also increase this average if that's how it works.

3) Open a second server. It's been said several times and would satisfy those who want a persistent world and those who want a reset. Several problems are solved and many complaints are silenced by doing this. If there's a cost, perhaps some kind of contest or event could help raise funds to offset this and I believe there are players who will resume or increase support for HP if this first server is persistent as many wish it to be.

Just some thoughts.


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: HJ® on October 08, 2008, 12:40:47 AM
 :bodyguard:


Title: Re: I'm bored.
Post by: Seb on October 08, 2008, 06:35:27 PM
I advertise on one forum..yeah, some depth would be nice, and those data files you mentions exo!