The Hacker Project - a free online game

If this is the wrong place to put this post then I apologize to Sir Emi and I hope he will move it to where it belongs.

My statement of position.  My Motto.  My Hacker Decree.

My positions on missions against a Hacker:
 
I WILL NOT hack your system and destroy your files. 
I WILL NOT remove your ad-ware from a server.  Your spy ware is another matter.
I WILL NOT hack into your system and end your research, or your missions.

Thank you for your time.  Enjoy the game.   :17:

You have put my own codex on paper (or a thread). I thank you for being one of those who actually plays the game for fun and not destroy for the others.

A honorable hacker indeed  :17:

I join the decree - I will not do such stuff... anymore :)

I think it is just stupid to hack others since you really do not get much of anything from it unless it is getting newer versions of software..

And to do that you dont have to end research/end missions/delete files like all to many people do.

that is what I meen, I think it is stupid to hack people and stop what they are doing, that is why I have a lot of my programs set as public so people do not have to hack me to get my programs

I would say that too, because I'm one of those who is trying to play but someone has taken me for Christ.

Ahem.

The reason why the strong hack the weak is because the weak take the missions which belong to the strong 1k+

For example, i will admit i cancel some people's processes as these are people with 0.1 v and DIRECT CONNECT to their target in competition with me.

HArsh? perhaps. I leave a message saying not to though.

Now, i tend to allow it to go to timer if they bounced well.

After all, its all fair and well if they finish 5 minutes before me but i complete it faster =P

This is a very good idea, Rothum.

I accept most of the code, with the following exceptions:

- I might kill your missions if you are about to delete a file I need to download or if we are competing for missions above 300 HPD.
- I might remove your adware from a server if it prevents me from installing my own adware or if your adware is a mission target.
- I retain the right to do anything to you if you deliberately deal damage to me or my friends.

Summarized: I will not do damage to you as long as you avoid to violate my interests too badly, and when I have to intervene, I will keep the damage limited to the absolute minimum (i.e., only killing the process we're competing for).

I think thats completely acceptable exeptions. This game does demand of us that we uses virii and/or missions to gain HPD. And to retaliate is the right of every living being even if it dont is written in the law. But to keep RL things to a peachfull level retaliation isnt a good idea.

Yes, all of these points are all true.

BUT, it's not my case, AND I got all of my 0.1 programs deleted.

I started 2 days ago, have earned at maximum 800HPD with voting and 4HPD-like missions.

Where's the fun now?


Well...

download higher than 0.1 programs ,.<

I had done... Next.

We could all just sit around the campfire and hold hands. Being friends is much safer! When all of the get-along gang are running v.5,are they going to be satisfied with the " I wont harm PC Gates" Manifesto?-I doubt it. People in power dont stay in power by giving it to others. Youll see-when theres no enemy,friends turn on each other.

There will always be minor quarrels over the limited resources in the game, but I doubt those must be fought in a destructive manner. Even nice players will keep stealing other people's software, blackmailing others by faking IPs, stealing each others' virus farms and missions and so on. However, that doesn't mean you need to actively damage others (apart from some collateral damage to their virus and mission income).

Besides, I'm sure that there's no lack of players who act nasty enough to make them natural enemies; just look at the number of players complaining about finding all their software deleted.

my personal ethos is that there are no rules but what you can do to others, and what others can do to you. the tricky part is that the others might figure out those rules, and the fact is that you cant survive based on "us against the world" so you also need to understand that working together is in the best intrest of those involved. then as long as it is in the best intrest of all parties the alliance will go on, but not longer than when one of them figures that out. your ethos must be based on logic, and his is... for now.

Chuckle actually in my day job I do just that empower others. 

I couldn't disagree more. You cannot base any decision purely on logic, you need certain axioms to begin with. You can then use logic to deduce the consequences of these axioms and act accordingly.

After searching for about five years now, I don't see any other basic foundation than my own feelings, and those clearly state that it is nice to deal with others in a friendly manner, even when there's no personal gain involved other than sharing happiness with the people around you. That's Epicurean Ethics in a nutshell. :)

ah, but your own ethos, as you have just stated it is one of logic, that the only basic foundation upon which to act is your own feelings. however there are certain situations where that does not hold, like when i feel like killing my brother for taking my stuff, we must then base our ethos on logic, noting that every person has certain rights which should not be violated, life, liberty and the product of the two, property.

You can't base a house on more house, you can't base an ethic on logic.  You must have a foundation, which is his axiom of his feelings.

You assume that there are fundamental rights to every person, but how do you deduce that by pure logic? You always need at least one starting point for your argumentation, some basic premise you believe to be true. My starting point is the subjective influx of feelings and sensory perception. What's yours?

my starting point is the objective belief in personal liberty, and that it trumps everything but another persons personal liberty.

I understand this sentence except for the word "objective belief". What do you mean with that?

i probably should have said objective continuation of the beleif. the phrase objective belief is an oxymoron. and to be honest, an objective continuation isnt the starting point anyway.

Yeah, explaining the basics of your personal metaphysics can get rather lengthy, that's why philosophers usually write long books about just a single topic. Definitely doesn't fit in a single thread.

oh, i don't know, ayn rand was once asked to describe her personal philosophy while standing on one foot. plus i though we were talking about ethics, not metaphysics  :confused:

Yeah, but since I was asking what your basic premises are, I asked you an implicitely metaphysical question. Imho, you cannot logically deduce the things that should be from the things that are without at least a tiny bit of metaphysics hidden inside your argument.

However, maybe my definition of metaphysics is too broad.

A summary of this;
Not kill your brother despite he have your toys because of wanting him to live=Logics.
Wanting him to live=A thes that you have picked up and adopted.=Your personal belief which is based on (someones) feelings or our sociity (how do I spell that?)=If it was inspired by feelings it can be tracked down to the insticts and finally the genes. If it was inspired by our almost working sociity (There AGAIN!) it cant be tracked down about that easy. My personal belief in this matter is herd mentality. This makes us wanting the herd (our f**kING SOCIITY!!! d**n!) to work well.

Probably a combination of the two. Psychologists are constantly changing their opinion about whether it's 20% genetic and 80% conditioned or exactly the other way round.

PS: It is spelled "society". :)

Thank you!!! If I had a myspace or something like that you would be on my "close friends" list.

Lol close friends list?  :21: :7:  :arrow: you mean top?

I have no idea. I dont have a myspace. Didnt you realize that when I wrote my post?

Well yeah since you said "if i had a myspace" =p

Well I thought you werent stupid.

ehh?..  :2:

 :stupid:

How would have known that?

I will also sign up to this decree.

Being that the person who wrote this decree quit the game.......

He maybee did but before that he wrote this and thats a very good decree. Especially if you add the exeption that someone (was it you vman?) wrote.

And so, that's because the world does not get better.

forget the stupid decree, WE'RE HACKERS PEOPLE!!!!!!! and all of us crackers as well (http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html for those who do not know the distinction >.> hope you learn something there.........) that article is as close to a bible as you'll get me too, however this is ultimately a game, and a competitive one at that

I agree with that too, but I still say...

And so, that's because the world does not get better. [2]

it's a GAME! i play games for the hell of it, if you have a problem with that then thats you're thing, however it does not change my stances nor my methods (tho i have moved on from newbies :P, they're bandwidth is too small >.>)

I completely agree, the last time I was hacked, not for a mission they wiped out all my downloaded files, research, and hid the rest, I had to reformat and redownload all the lost high level files from several secret servers.