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I am probably going to get banned from the forum for this but I need everyone to realize how badly we need Emi back.

Do not tell me that is not a bot please..

He has several double deletes running on the same file on the same second..

I believe it was the same with Vlad0028 his server.. Killed hundreds of tasks on his server a few days/weeks ago..

Pfff..

Maybe according to some people I dont deserve to be #1, but Im certain nobody thinks these people deserve to be in the top 10 or even playing the game..

EDIT: My apologies to Vlad0028. I rechecked his server and he's not botting.

Why are you posting this here instead of emailing emi? You'll probably get a quicker response to an email...

There was a time when i went to all my secert servers and just did a delete all. This looks just like it. lot of missions from same ip's and such.

Well that is because I already send a mail before I found this out.

So Emi is already aware of it.

Im not stupid you know..  :14:

Can you help me recognize the clues? I've glanced at the logs, and nothing jumps off the page at me.

Lol, it's pretty obvious.

To tell the truth then i do not belive in emi anymore. It is to late to make this game a live now. He have been paying to less attension. The only thing he can do now is to get a new playerbase or to seriusly do something about the amount of time he spendt on this game.

No offense, but stop complaining about the number of active players on here. I'm really tired of all the whining. Siremi has provided us with a commission program to encourage marketing. That's how all of these games survive, by the players. It's not his fault. If you want it to change, vote and post on other forums. Promote the game.

You might check out the threads where HateJacket posted about the number of members we have/had. According to the stats he posted, we've had only 379 sign up since day one, with an average of 30+ new players per month since the first month. It doesn't matter what game it is, every game has players come and go, as people lose interest, or life gets in the way. Of course we saw a drop in activity, because new memberships are only in the 30s per month. That's not enough to keep up with the first month. Opening month for any game is always the biggest, too, and you've got to understand that naturally, the player base is going to shrink.

Again, stop blaming siremi for our failure to promote the game. Marketing was left in your hands, like the majority of MMORPGs. Blame yourselves, or accept the natural downtrend in membership.

One more thing to add is the effect that these complainant posts have on new membership. Most people won't stay if they think the game is dead, thanks to reading these forums.

You have a good point here Succubus but do realize that before you arrived here, already several things have happened that have made people quit the game. The game's playerbase hasnt just shrinked, Emi kind of made it shrink by making the game how he wants it (its his game..) without considering some players their good advice. We are not talking about some players quitting,  but about dozens of very active players.

I still believe this game will have a good future, but the longer we wait with bringing it back alive.. The harder it will get.. At the moment this game is very good compared to others.. But for all we know, tomorrow a new hacking game begins and all people will go there.. Then our months of work will be for nothing.. Our experience will be worth nothing..

Blame whoever you want to, but realize that every individual has the potential to help make this game what it once was. Yes Emi plays a big part in this case and yes I would even f**kin call him (if I had his number) to ask him what he wants to do with HP but at the moment it seems he doesnt have time to respond.

You all wanna be a free rider? Go ahead.. Morons..

It might be that both you donn and you succubus means that is our fault as much as Emis but you both fail to noticed that the only reason why I didn't do anything about was because Emi didn't seem to care about the game. I don't want to tell my freinds about a game which is already dead before they begin. If Emi shows that he actualy care about the game, I'll gladly invite my freinds but he haven't not even once.

For one, I'm talking about forum stats with the numbers you're speaking of.

And there you go AGAIN posting about me. The obsession is rather scary :)

Oh, and if you don't like what's happening, quit :)

Jimmi, if we had more paying players, I'm sure emi would spend more time on the game. $ talks. I wouldn't work for low wages either.

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HJ i don't like what is happening with the game because what is happening is it is dieing. I still like the game on a few things so i will stay to the end.

And succubus tell me what it helps to pray to a deaf god?

That's not a good analogy, jimmi. If the game generated much money, siremi could justify spending more time on this game. Just like my job, I pay more attention to my customers that buy the most from me. Therefore, siremi is probably spending more time on games that generate more money.

Y'all really should give him a break. If you think about it, say he works 40 hours a week, across three games. That's 13 hours per week per game, across five days (he deserves days off, too) per week. That comes out to less than 3 hours per day. Do you honestly think that he's spending less than 3 hours a day on the game? You know there's more to it than just coding. There's also replying to emails, multi-hunting, the message boards, finances, vendor management (assuming it's not his own server sitting in his basement), etc. There's a lot more to it than you realize. How many of you have been admin or moderators of games before? If you have, you'll agree with me that it's very time consuming! And just think, it's only him doing all of the work here.

I maintain that we all need to pitch in with the marketing. That will bring in the players, which will bring in the money, which will bring in siremi. Or better yet, if the game grew enough, he'd be forced to hire help, and the income would support it.

That's not a good analogy, jimmi. If the game generated much money, siremi could justify spending more time on this game. Just like my job, I pay more attention to my customers that buy the most from me. Therefore, siremi is probably spending more time on games that generate more money.

Yeah, but the attention you pay towards certain "customers" would only be because your pimp tells you to do so.

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This is s cirkle one of us have to take action and i know I'm not so if Emi want my support then he have to do something for it and since he haven't done anything several times now then he needs to do A LOT.

Succubus, could you die, please?

Give siremi a day or two to say or do something. It's Saturday.

And krizzke,

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<3 ya.

This is a serious topic. We are trying to talk about this game and what to do with it. All you can do is write a stupid sentence to one of the people who are actually doing something more than just being inactive ingame or keeping their mouth shut on the forum.

Because of people like this, this game is dying. All they can do is act tough instead of using their brains for once..

@ Jimmy.. You're not doing anything because Emi isnt and he's (probably) not doing anything because you arent.. With that mentality we are getting nowhere.. Have fun being a free rider and enjoying a good game, while other players are doing their best mate! Have fun!

If its even too hard to make a topic somewhere with a link to the game.. You can even use your affiliate link and perhaps earn some credit with it..

well for start appolagies acceptet Donn .. point 2 .. i am agree whith succubus .. you can be 24/48 in this game... i was an admin on a private wow server .. kind of big in romania.. and it was eating all off my time.. going to players.. resolve problems.. jump here .. and jump there.. and nobody was satisfy ... it doesnt matter the time you consume in the game for helping people.. peoples wants more and more... it doesnt mater if you are closing you real life to do something in the game.. again an again.. more and more... you are not doing any good ... etc et c... well my friends you better realise that siremi ... is working .. but as somebody says he is working on 3 games in the same time.. and probabbly is normal to work much more on the game that acttually bring you money ... becouse like anny game this is not a hobby is a bussynes ... Well if i am wrong correct me. BUt everytime iv emailed to emi a problem .. he resolved it immediattly .. i dont have complains.. i like that game.. and i a playing it in anny condition. it can be worst that this. My appolagies becouse my english is very bad .. but .. is not my matern language:) Have a good day and happy hacking.

This is a serious topic. We are trying to talk about this game and what to do with it. All you can do is write a stupid sentence to one of the people who are actually doing something more than just being inactive ingame or keeping their mouth shut on the forum.

Because of people like this, this game is dying. All they can do is act tough instead of using their brains for once..

@ Jimmy.. You're not doing anything because Emi isnt and he's (probably) not doing anything because you arent.. With that mentality we are getting nowhere.. Have fun being a free rider and enjoying a good game, while other players are doing their best mate! Have fun!

If its even too hard to make a topic somewhere with a link to the game.. You can even use your affiliate link and perhaps earn some credit with it..

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First of all my name is Jimmi... Next you shoulden't talk about what you deosn't know dude.  I do use my affiliate link but i do not ask my freinds to do something which would be a waste of time.

Also I am a free rider because Emi don't care about his game. If he showed some determination then I would love to help him but since it is his game then it is also him which should do something.

First of all my name is Jimmi... Next you shoulden't talk about what you deosn't know dude.  I do use my affiliate link but i do not ask my freinds to do something which would be a waste of time.

Also I am a free rider because Emi don't care about his game. If he showed some determination then I would love to help him but since it is his game then it is also him which should do something.
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I shouldn't talk about something I don't know while you talk about what Emi does or doesn't care about.. I suppose you know that?

And excuse me for writing 1 letter different in your name.. If you're going to make comments like that, I'll be busy too: shouldn't, doesn't and in fact it's don't, capital I,..  :laugh:

Lets not begin like that shall we.. It's silly and has no use, except irritating eachother.

If you think it's too much of a waste of time, then why don't you just save us having to read your complaints and just quit? I don't mean to run people off, but it seems rather ludicrous to me that a handful of you guys are so miserable and say that you don't care about the game, yet won't leave! WTH is wrong with you?

When did I say i didn't care about the game?

And the reason I reacted as i did with my name is because I EVERY SINGLE DAY hear on people who can't spell a name i already spelled for them.

You're STILL here telling others to quit? Seriously, go back to SlaveHack, nobody here likes you.

Well, I had a few days of break since there was Christmas, New Year, etc. but I did find the time to reply to your messages and fix some serious bugs even if it was New Years Eve.

So now I'm back to working "more" for this wonderful game that I made because I had a nice dream :)

On the top of the list is the secret servers changing of IP from time to time.

Secondly, I am going to address the macro issue but not by hunting down macro users but by implementing game features that will limit the macro users activity to the amount of AP they have. AP rewards may be introduced in some special missions, so with that you will have to earn the extra AP in order to do those nice missions, not just macro but gameplay.

Hope you all had great holidays and may we have a good year in 2009  :5:

Welcome back Siremi .. i hope u enjoyed your self for the hollydays and waiting for the serious changes .. :) well welcome back.. nice to see you are whith us .. take care:)

Thanks again for replying to my messages.  :13:

Thanks SirEmi, can't wait to see some cool updates.

wats goin on in dis topic guyz??
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People just being given more false hopes.

Well Emi did give us a reason to why he was gone ^^ it got to mean something.

Sure.

Now explain the last 4-6 months.

Well that is not meant for me to do. But i hope he got a good reason :P

None that SirEmo have bothered to tell us about. Seriously Im testing an other beta game which devs is working on 7 days a week. The only time the devs doesnt work on the game is when RL jobs gets in the way. And every single time that happens they inform the players.

Advertisment here: http://demonwar.net/Beta/Blog.php

Which brings up another point, for all we know, siremi has a RL job too.

I maintain that if you don't like how the game is being administrated or supported, go find one where you will be happy. You are responsible for your own happiness.

If I got my car washed someplace, and I didn't think they did a good job, I wouldn't keep going back. I'd find a new place that met my standards.

Well you can't take that exsampel because there is no other game like HP which is why we are still here even without a leader who works. It is a great game just not the best developer.

If you can find me a game like HP i owuld gladly leave if they had a good developer but since i can't seem to find one then i stay here.

The game was awsome. It probably is now as well but not comparred to how it used to be.

And I will also like to say that I dont play this game. Im just here at the forums for 'tha lulz'. That and Im bored because all three of my own games doesnt work the way I want them to.

There are a few, one being SlaveHack. SlaveHack's had one update in the past two years. I used to play that, but got bored after six months, then moved on to mafia games for a while.

You don't have to play a virtual hacking game either. If this is such a miserable experience for you, find something else. Go ahead with your bad self. If you play a mafia game, I highly recommend The Mafia Underground. If mafia games don't do it for you, try a sci-fi, rpg like Runescape, checkers, poker, whatever floats your boat. Just don't complain about being neglected when it's your decision as a consumer to stay. It seems rather silly, if you ask me.

Slavehack, sucks. The Mafia Underground, boring. Runescape = worst RPG game (It is not sci-fi sorry to tell you this is and to prove im right i have this small part from wikipedia about scf-fi since it seems you don't know what it is Science fiction (abbreviated SF or sci-fi with varying punctuation and capitalization) is a broad genre of fiction that often involves speculations based on current or future science or technology.). I have tryed tons of browser games and this one was looking to be the best untill Emi stopped update and stop come to the forum.

You've played SlaveHack? You just said there were no hacking games like this out there. FYI, on another forum where I've posted, some people have responded to my post about HP with even more games like this out there. In fact, I've played two others, but too briefly to feel worthy of mentioning that I've played (I couldn't fairly review). Hmmm...Somehow, I don't believe that you've played TMU either. :no2:

I didn't say that Runescape is sci-fi, hence the reason that there was a comma between the two. It was a part of a list. I said "sci-fi, RPG like Runescape". Brush up your reading skills.

It's spelled "tried". I suggest that you try again. There are many new games released each week. You can try any number of other games, but you've made the conscious decision to stay and complain. Man up, or suck it up. Emi is not responsible for your misery; you are for staying.

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You've played SlaveHack? You just said there were no hacking games like this out there. FYI, on another forum where I've posted, some people have responded to my post about HP with even more games like this out there. In fact, I've played two others, but too briefly to feel worthy of mentioning that I've played

The same can be said for SlaveHack, except replace 'briefly' with 'crappy'

SH is TERRIBLE. The fact that you've come from there really explains alot.

Oh, and good on you for knocking on someone's english skills when it's not even their first language.

You make yourself look more like an idiot every time you post.

belive what you want to succubus it is not like it matter something and currently then i don't complain about Emi so would you shut up for a moment please? you have also complained about him. The only thing i complain about right now is in fact YOU.

I've had one complaint, and that was the first night that I played, because I couldn't find any missions to do. That was remedied later. I hadn't realized that someone just grabbed them all. Also, I've had no complaints about emi whatsoever.

Thats obviously true as you protect that son of a pregnant dog. If you had known a little more before posting in these forums you should either shut up about it or agree with the rest of us who have played this game before you. Many of us long before you came.

Are you kidding me Arthur ? Did you just call Emi a .....  :4:

Edit: not all veteran players agree on your points of view. Plz don't speak for 'the rest of us'

I dont speak for all of you but many of you thinks Emi is too ignorant. Im sorry if you got offended.

I've said it several times before, and I'll say it again: you do not know what siremi is or is not doing. You aren't sitting by his side. He does not have to log into the game or the forums to work on the game. Additionally, he's entitled to the time off that he took for the holidays. How many more times do you need to be told? If you're not happy, go make yourself happy. Nobody is making you stay.

I won't shut up or agree. I'm entitled to my opinion, so deal.

But you never accept my version as a possible truth. You go on and says 'You cant know that' when everything points to that conclusion.
What you say is highly improbable.
What I want to say is that Emi have gone several weeks without answering questions in the FAQ or reading his own messages, he is hardly updating anymore, the updates he do come up with are generally crap except for the ideas he posts but never finish.
Lets take a look at this topic: http://www.hacker-project.com/forum/index.php?topic=396.0
« Last Edit: 2008-09-20, 04:50:53 by siremi »
I took that topic because its old and long before you came. Learn from it. Admit that I could be right. Admit that everything points towards the conclusion Emi does ignore the community or is highly inactive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation

Even if he is highly inactive and according to our experience we have had with him, I understand that he may seem inactive a lot.. That doesn't mean he doesn't care about this game anymore..

Perhaps his other two games have problems or he has problem with his wife / girlfriend / kids / parents / ... or.. or..

Get the idea? He isn't only Sir Emi but also a real person who has a family and a job and friends and..

There are so many things that could take away the time he used to spend on HP.. We just don't know..

Yes he doesn't always answer our messages and yes he doesn't answer all our posts and whatever facts you use, but that doesn't imply that is has a "cause-and-effect relationship" with his feelings towards this game.

It could very well be that you are 100% right. OK. But we just don't know for now.. So why the hell keep discussing this.. Just admit that you guys like to mess with Succubus and Succubus, just admit you like the attention..

And btw, Arthur.. Its not because someone says that you can't know that, that you don't believe it could be a possible truth..

I always say that we can't know whats really happening when the big politicians gather around the table and decide what our lives will look like.. But I have my theories and I do listen to other people..

We just interpret the words differently.. I get that just now.. No point in trying to convince you then..  :13: Do you get it?

Oh right.. "Ignoring" Another thing that could be interpreted wrong depending on what your feelings are towards the other person..

If my friend is busy and he isn't listening very well too me, is that because he's ignoring me or because he's just busy?
If my girlfriend is shy and she doesn't talk to my friends because she doesn't want to make a bad impression, is she ignoring them too then?
If a developer isn't saying anything to his community because he knows he's making some mistakes and he decides to just put his words into deeds instead of making priority lists, is that ignoring?

But you never accept my version as a possible truth. You go on and says 'You cant know that' when everything points to that conclusion.

I'm not ruling out the possibility. Perhaps you've missed where I've said that making these assumptions, and acting hateful based on those assumptions will not get what you want. If you guys could just chill out, maybe he'd be more responsive to your posts. As you may have noticed, he responded to my Dear HP God thread, which wasn't even intended for him. He may have bothered to read and respond to that in particular because it was light-hearted.

What you say is highly improbable.

I just don't agree. Did you see the post where I pointed out how much work is required to run a game like this, let alone three? I asked if y'all had been admins or moderators of games. It's actually a lot to maintain, let alone continue development, and he has THREE games. Additionally, he's entitled to time off. I wish you guys would cut him some slack, or make a good consumer choice and spend your time or money on something more satisfying to you, rather than drag down the forums.

Well actually according to Marketing studies it should be different and d**n IT I WANT ENGLISH TO BE MY MOTHERLANGUAGE FOR JUST 5 MINS NOW AAAAAHHH.. Sorry.. Frustrations..

Ah.. English texts about marketing found..  :laugh:

"The aim of marketing is to know and understand the customer so well that the product or service fits him and sells itself. Ideally, marketing should result in a customer who is ready to buy."

Its not that Emi should focus on marketing also lol.. But you get my point a bit? In order to attract more players, he should "modify the product to satisfy changes in player needs". That is ofcourse if he wants to attract more players..

He could also be thinking differently: "Developing a product/service that meets the consumer need better than any competing products/services" but our needs are different right so perhaps he wants to "influence our wants by designing particular features".

And again the conclusion is: we don't have a clue what he is thinking..

EDIT: Woohoo we don't have a clue!  :5:

I also have a life. Any time I have to become more inactive then usually I tell people about it.
And about ignoring Im talking about doing updates the community reacts towards with the scream NO and several good reasons not to do that update.

And yes, I like these forumsgames with Succ but only because she came in and talked about things with roots in the past. She cant really know about how it was back then so she shouldnt really keep on arguing.
Lets say I enter a new community, I say something which the 2 top posters and other people strongly disgrees with then I would maybe not believe them but I would not have kept on arguing. You can easily get hated by doing such a thing.

Oh, Suckabuss replied before me.
Emi ignoring me more then this is impossible. He doesnt even read my posts anymore. That Dear HP God thread was just you licking his ass.
The work required is not more then the work I do; school, active at 5 different communities with games (SI not included), learning programming on my free time and spend time with my family.
And the admin at DemonWar have another browsergame and a cardgame (similar to Magic the Gathering, I think) along with his RL job. He is able to do updates every second day and reply to ALL threads in ALL matters even if its off-topic.

And why would people leave? Its still a good game and Im only here for the entertaining arguments. I do, however, only use facts and personal experience in my arguing.

Oh, Donn also posted while I was writing. Ill take that tomorrow if I can remember.

You're so right, Donn. That's why people should leave if they're unhappy. That's the way to motivate him, since this is a business, not a hobby.

I also have a life. Any time I have to become more inactive then usually I tell people about it.

That's you. I wouldn't, and I'm sure that I'm not alone on this.

And yes, I like these forumsgames with Succ but only because she came in and talked about things with roots in the past. She cant really know about how it was back then so she shouldnt really keep on arguing.

I'm not arguing facts. I'm arguing that you don't know everything.

Lets say I enter a new community, I say something which the 2 top posters and other people strongly disgrees with then I would maybe not believe them but I would not have kept on arguing. You can easily get hated by doing such a thing.

I'm not going to hop on a bandwagon. I will form my own opinion based on my experience or concrete facts. I don't care if I'm hated by this e-community. I didn't sign up for a popularity contest.

The work required is not more then the work I do; school, active at 5 different communities with games (SI not included), learning programming on my free time and spend time with my family.
And the admin at DemonWar have another browsergame and a cardgame (similar to Magic the Gathering, I think) along with his RL job. He is able to do updates every second day and reply to ALL threads in ALL matters even if its off-topic.

Do you have a wife? Do you have kids? Do you have a job? Do you moderate or administer games?

Sounds like the admin at DemonWar is spending his time at his RL job working on the game. Perhaps emi has a better moral code, and isn't willing to risk losing the day job.

You can't deny the possibility that siremi could be any or all of the following: spending time with RL friends, sleeping, traveling, taking a day off, taking care of three games on his own, has a day job, has a wife, has 10 children, has ailing/handicapped family that he's caring for, is handicapped himself, his computer broke, his internet access is cut off, he's in the hospital from a terrible accident, he's dying of a horrific disease, being held at gunpoint by robbers at this moment, etc. Some of these are extreme, but surely you get the point.

As has been stated before, this game is far from done and he's got two other games to administer as well. With a hostile community to answer to here, one can't blame him for just working away without sending us a memo for every line of code changed and not concerning himself with every thread we create out here in order to "get his attention."

Personally, I think Succubus may be the kick in the pants this community needs. She definitely brings some fresh blood and ideas to the table and is certainly not afraid to go toe to toe with the biggest and loudest of us. Agree with her or don't, but do not condemn her for speaking her mind and attempting to revitalize our community. It shows an active interest in the game into which we have poured time and energy and the community which we built.

It may be a whole year before this game is close to being "finished" but it probably will not resemble what we've been playing since June, or whenever we started (late August for me). Yes, change is scary and it forces us to find new ways of tackling old problems, but a dynamic game and a dynamic community is much more fun than an entrenched group of reactionary veterans spending their time bashing the newbies and grunting about what's wrong with the way the game is being changed and how no one listens to them.

Very nice post Exousia.. Glad you joined us in this discussion..  :)

Myself and the proverbial "ten foot pole" I keep handy in order to *not* touch things with it have been hovering near this thread for a while.  :5: I'm around, I've just not been feeling well for a while (about two weeks) and also have not been feeling terribly motivated. Additionally, this round has kinda kept me in a quagmire so I'm logging on less often, but I'm here.  :7:

As long as we keep it civil, I'm all in favor of helping keep Sir Emi motivated and open to player input. There have been many threads created simply to spam Sir Emi to death so it's hard to tell which ones are genuine and which are just flame/spam hybrid monsters begging to be tossed in the bin. The heated dialogues between certain old school rivals as well as those between the "new" and "old" guard often cloud these sentiments and break them down into flame.

If I were a moderator, I would go down the list and bin several threads. Sir Emi would never have even seen them out of the bin. The reason being that nagging, harassing, and begging behaviors are going to have nothing but the opposite effect on him. The point is that genuine positive change has to come as a natural progression and, speaking as a former programmer, things rarely work out the way we want them to and they certainly very rarely work out the way the end user wants them to. Negative commentary is the norm, but nagging and harassing will knock out a programmer's momentum more effectively than a kick to the groin.

Vote now for Exousia as our moderator!  :laugh:

Done it before. :12: Not here of course, but on other game forums and topical forums.

If elected I will abuse my power more efficiently than the other guy.  :17:

Ive sent a message to Emi that a moderator is required.  We could easily thrash the whole forums without one.

Already suggested it too and he was thinking about taking one.

I suggested it a while ago, even offering my services, and got no response, so I assumed that he was not in the market or had someone else in mind.

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I love how you think tacking on an AP cost to delete missions will stop the botting.

It does NOT stop the botting at all. All it does is slow down the bots to the level where they are only slightly faster than the rest of us. You ARE aware that just because someone is using a bot doesnt mean they dont check on their account every once in a while, right?

You do know it takes less than 3 days to completely regain AP, right?

So how is throwing an AP cost on delete files stopping the bots? It still lets them do everything we can do - only automated.

You're not fixing the problem, you're just shoving it under the rug. Therefore, this is a horrible update and should not have happened in the first place. There is a reason we rejected the AP cost on deletes when AP was first introduced.

I'm starting to think Emi has absolutely no idea how to stop the bots and is just trying to throw fixes at it that just don't work.

I didn't suggest the AP cost for delete missions.

In case you were talking to me instead of Emi.

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Sorry, I've been dying to use that smiley. It's frickin' hilarious!

lol I'm just bored and in need of a project. Dowsing this fire seems like a fun challenge. I'm between sections of the corrections officer interview and training process, so I'm doing a lot of studying the penal code on my computer and not much else. So bored. So very very bored.  :2: