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Is it just me cause I think the revelation idea is the worst idea ever. I like this game cause its not like the other games by Sir Emi. Like this just means that EVERYONE just WASTED their time by playing this game. Unless your the top players, every thing you have work so hard for will be restarted. I think that  many poeple will leave the game cause of it. This is Sir Emi's way of saying "I cant think of any way to improve the story of the game so I'l restart it. That will make poeple happy" Which it will not cause it is th WORST IDEA EVER. Even the explaination of how it works sound like its on crack.

DOWN WITH REVELATION!!!!!

If you agree with me then post here saying that you hate the idea.

I will probably get to hear it from Emi about me supporting this thread but I do hate the idea.

You know how fire burns a field and the crops grow faster and better from the ashes? It's a widely used farming technique to fertilize the land. If you don't know what I'm talking about, check it out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash-and-burn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slash-and-burn)

That's how rounds are for a game, it's the best time to bring in new and big add-ons, updates and players with advertising.

It creates an even field that enhances competition on the new round, as everyone starts at the same time and the newbies get a chance to overcome the vets on equal terms.

The new round will also establish the new Top 10, as some may get lucky and strike fast, it's the best time to play when everyone fights against each other.

It's also very fun!  :16:

Thank you for you opinion  :17:

Im not gonna mention anything else here, because it has already been said elsewhere in the forums, but i do think sir emi should update the starter harware, i mean 5 BW !!!, thats like....5 hours to dowload a 100.0mb virii, and then another 5 hours to upload it to each server, and thats only if you do it one at a time! Maybe something like 20/25 should be used instead, which would mean the new starters would have a choice of direction in their money-making adventure, upload/install virii...or do missions (delete obviously), because at the moment there is only one clear winner in that choice.  :19:

To burn a field is good for the fertility but now were talking about real humans wanting to enjoy a good game. Especially since everyone was given the expression that this server would be persistant. If you want a field to burn start a new server and inform everyone about it so they dont feel betrayed.
Not that I expect an actual response to this post. Emi have a bad habit of only answering certain posts.

Now you're not burning the crops but people.
I don't know for the others, but i don't like to be on fire.

Furtherly the smoke is rather unhealthy, it's the remains of the burned crops, where do they go? Into the air, far, far away.
So we get burned and then float away.

We get hurt and leave.

And i just found out i have something to lose too:

122      Caesar (#3913)     1     ONLINE     333.515

Alright, call me crazy but I am siding with Sir Emi on this. Maybe we need one reset to kill the permanent high players and let everyone start over. I think bought HPD should be kept and gold status. But earned HPD should be reset. Go ahead with the insults but I am taking Sir Emi's side on this.

A reset would be good for the game but not for the players. Emi have said that a reset wouldnt occure and now this happens.
Emi have also said that only gold of all the donated money will hang on.
I jump to the conclusion of why people protests and its because they feel betrayed and fooled by Emi. How many here actually calls him/her Sir Emi instead of Emi? Only those positive with the reset.

Ive started another game at the side of this with resets. The reset will occure just some days in the future and Im starting to get good at the game but I dont cry over there. I accept it because I knew whats going to happen when I joined.

I have to correct you on this, because you keep mentioning this statement.

I have read the post that Sir Emi made long time ago where he stated that he WANTS this game to be persistent. In the same post he also stated that the game might have a reset (depending on the future evolvement of the game).

For obvious reasons he now thinks that this game needs a reset and I must say I can only agree with him.

Im not the only one repeating this statement. Look through the original Rev thread (which Emi doesnt seem to read anymore).

Edit: Correcting my grammar.

Do you think the next round would be different? Or the round after that? The fact is that high players are high because they play BETTER than those who aren't. Timing has an effect, as does luck... but it comes down to skill. Reset the game 100x and the same players will ALWAYS be on top. The only way other players would pass them is if they get pissed off enough to leave, like I did.

And is pissing the good people of a good way of getting the newbies on top? I dont think so but thats my opinion. Its the high players that enjoy the game and therefor they donate to be able to enjoy the game even more.

Now Arthur, would you please stop all this meaningless ranting, Revelation is here...so GET OVER IT and put your energy into something more useful, like helping the rest of us prevent the reset.

Peace Out.

I know that once the reset occurs, I will be doing one of two things:

1) Thanking Emi for the lesson on how not to treat players, and move elsewhere. Daemornia Online perhaps.

2) Becoming a Ghost. You know, one of those things that sticks around, refuses to go away, and is just an all-purpose nuisance.

This is a Quote from Sir Emi's post when it was first asked if this world would be reset.
If you look at Space Odyssey you will see we have both a persistent world and one with resets, so yeah we will have both in HP too.

The reset will be kind of cool, like a bang where everything blows up and with prizes at the end, and after it's done the whole world blows up and it's rebuild again like a Doom's Day.

Notice that he says there would be both.   As of right now there is not both.  There is only 1.  The original world which would be persistant but is now round based.

Get your facts straight or next time I hunt you in game and leave his quotes over and over again in your logs until you actually read before responding.

I am well aware of the post you qouted, but you, mr. i-think-i-know-everything-better, should get your facts straight. You are wrong twice in 1 post.

1 - there is also a post where siremi stated what i said earlier
2 - you will never find me ingame

quotes or it didn't happen. a link is fine too.

On another note, now that I read the quote, technically (and I do mean TECHNICALLY) Emi never says that this is the persistent server nor says that this is not the round server. Only because resets were never officially 100% announced everyone assumed that this was the persistent world. Just my 2c.

It's really a question of expectations.

I do have a recollection of having seen the posts which are discussed, but the perception and hence the expectation which I had for the first month while I played the game was that I was playing a persistent game on a persistent server.

That was my expectation, and I believe that it was the expectation of the vast majority of players, and it was an expectation which had been reinforced though perhaps not 100% confirmed by Sir Emi.

Another perception - this is a hacker game. Tomorrow it may be turned into a game about pokemons jumping around the place. Nowhere has it been stated that it will not be, and in fact it would not be against the TOS for this to happen. But our expectations is that this will be a hacker based game which will evolve in that sort of universe.

The expectation of persistence has been now dismissed, and as a direct consequence I'm less interested in the game today than I was a month ago but I am still here. We'll see how things evolve. What was or was not said at this point is largely (though not completely) irrelevant. We need to deal with the fact of the Faith/Revelation thing. We'll see how things go.

I'm also very interested in knowing whether if we nuke all the truelight servers it would stop Revelation from happening altogether though ;-)

Ive been playing HP since it opened. And when I started playing I sucked, two weeks later I got rank 10. But the only way I got there was because there were so little poeple playing. Now there are many poeple playing and I cant do any missions. So restarting will cause to many poeple doing to many missions so no one will do well. On all the other games by siremi they where huge. This game is much much smaller. Unless there will be 100 publis and 2000 secret servers the game will go no where. Siremi made a great game here, some things need fixing, but the game is still super. The big thing is is that this game is NOT the kind to be reset. SpaceOddissy and SeeOddissy are completly different. All we need are good basic ideas that help noobs and not negitivly harm the Superpowers. That way there will be no need to reset. Only those that have been playing for a little while or dont have the hang of the game yet and with maybe a few stronger players are agreeing. There are 4 post with many veiwers and many posters all saying the same thing no reset. Some are making clans that are trying to stop the revelation. SO PLEASE SirEmi PLEASE STOP THE THE REVELATION PLAN.

There was a mention about rounds in the Terms of Service that every player accepted prior to making an account with HP.

http://www.hacker-project.com/terms.html

       (III) You can also support The Hacker Project by donating. Donations are non-refundable.
Rewarding for donations is at the sole discretion of The Hacker Project team, and you have no warranty that a donation to The Hacker Project will bring you anything, donations are simply to support the costs for maintaining and running the game. We encourage you to test the automated system first, if you intend on using it, with a very small amount. The exchange rate for the rewards system will increase with the progress of the round, and before a round ends it will be at a maximum due of the imminent round reset. Any problems with the system can be addressed to the ingame support account, and we will do everything in our power to resolve your issue.    
          
        (IV) All information submitted in the register process are exclusively for sending your account information, new round details and occasional updates information, and will remain private. It is your responsibility to keep your account safe. All password data is encrypted. The Hacker Project is not responsible for any un-authorized access to your account, we provide logs that you can use to track your account actions. If you notice anything unusual in your game account logs, please report them to the ingame support account. All information about donations and Gold Accounts is private and will not be released under any circumstances. You can only ask questions about your own donation, and are limited to asking about donation expected processing date, clearing date and problems during processing.

Ah some changes have been made to the ToS since I started day one.  Since There were no mention of Rounds at that time anywhere including the forums until it was asked.

Rounds wasnt a part of the ToS when I started so I believe that I have the right to completly ignore those parts if I wish to unleash it doesnt fall under another part of the ToS. This would also affect everyone else stating before the update of the ToS. Am I right about that?

Legally, depends a lot on the wording of the ToS when you signed... If it doesn't include some of the standard boilerplate, you're perfectly right inn that you have no obligations to actually pay attention to any changes, regardless of what happens. :)

Actually i think this was in the ToS when i signed up, which is at least 1 month ago.

That was the reason why i asked if this game is featuring persistent world or not. So, yea I guess we ll have rounds now and then seeing how most people agree that revelation is impossible to stop if a coordinated group decided to run it.

However, i do have one question though, is there any plan on having a persistent server up at all? If so, can we get an ETA? Or is HP going to be round based only?

In the post most people are referring to (I dont know where it is) Emi said that HP would include both a persistant and a round based world. And my opinion is that it should be best not to have the first world round based since it wasnt clearly roundbased at the beginning.

So, where does it say that the game is round-based? The language of this ToS implies the possibility and covers the developer's butt legally in the event of an end of round scenario, but does not explicitly state that it is round-based.

Player was a good idea there that would be little extra work for Emi though. If there were two worlds one with rounds and one with the sted ongoing game that will all love. That is a iffy thugh cause then SirEmi need two manage two games.

That's what delegation is all about. I'm sure there would be no shortage of volunteers to help him manage a second, third, fourth, etc. server. If he's doing it all by himself, that could be half the problem: He's just overloaded.

This feature IS needed to keep a balence and stop players wizzing off into the billions per day. It is 100% player controllable so if you dont want your user reset fight for it.

Your forgetting that poeple worked really hard to get there and now all ur doing is deniing there well erned glorey.

You sound pro-revelations.  Make you a deal.  You tell me your IPs and I will tell you my IPs

Well, as of today, that's a total of 5 disinfects running on my virii on truelight servers, complete with IP-change, it seems to me either someone is deliberately trying to hamper the Faith Unions efforts to prevent doomsday, or some people need to read the forums!

Yeah I have been getting disinfects.  Interestingly once Riolic was busted the disinfects continued but no more virii were installed by him on those servers.

We need to fill the servers with small but high high viriis. I cant right now cause some one hacked me for loging on to one of those server a clan 'clames'.

Well if you want to help hit up those Spywares and disinfect them.  That seems to be the new tactic against SGP members at least.

Plans are in the works though to track down the Spyware Script Kiddies and show them what real hacking is all about.


Quote on the Forums today
Down with the mega-corporations!

I personally say
Down with True Light and their Anti-Hacker policies!

Lol, as i was writing this ebolla posted with more or less my exact thoughts there :laugh:

Soooo, i'll just say... ^^ what he said :16:

My addition:
  I personally HATE spyware, it is almost as much a bane as the virii breaker. I will admit i DO own a level 15 or so spyware, but it is for points ONLY, although i have used it once, but it was to counter another v1.1 spyware that was put on my virii, much simpler than disinfecting and having whoever it was upload another ;)

Most people thinks spyware and breaker is wrong to use. (Especially if they look at the forums and reads SGPs policies about anti SGP behaviour.)
I would add malware to that list too if its used against players and not corps (and TL).

Am i to assume that you believe everyone dislikes spyware and the virii breaker just because SGP does? If so, you couldn't be further from the truth, it is based on morality for me, the only reason one would upload and install virii over someone elses virii is out of spite, and pure laziness, i say laziness because the person obviously cannot be bothered to research his own virii and upload and install them, which is easier in my opinion.

As for the virii breaker, while not a completely bad idea it has some serious flaws, such as not taking the hide version into account, or even the version of the virus itself, apart from slowing down the capture time. And again, it is laziness and spite that leads to its use.

Just because it was SGP who released to first 'bad-word' against spyware/virii breakers, do not assume that everyone else is just following suit, and as the quote goes.... 'after all, we are all alike'.

The thing about SGP was more like a joke even though it can have inspired someone not to play with spyware/breaker. What I meant (but not said) is people who are active on the forums have a more personal relation with other players making them thinking more on morality since they know that they arent alone and someone else gets hurt by it.
People not active on the forums is more "Me against the world".

Wow sadly I have to come to Arthur's Defense here.

DamascuS = /FAIL

Reason being is he did not read Arthur's post before replying.  I shall quote the post here and put in the part he failed to read in bold as an example.


To which DamascuS's reply is as follows and I will put his mistake in bold just to be fair.


To me nothing is worse than the failure to fully read and comprehend what someone else is typing.  That in of itself shows laziness and/or a major dislike towards the individual.

Now you all know I come down hard on Arthur Dent all the time.  Honestly most of his posts are BS posts.  But I do still take the time to read them as behind the BS there might be something worthwhile.  So don't think I am taking anyones side in this conversation alright ;)

Ebolla
Visionary
Defender
Vote for Ebolla as President of the Hacker Community!!

Theres no shame in it as long as you dont actually pay me for my stipidness.


Im sorry but I think you have the highest position available for non staff as the leader for SGP. Youre also the most active serious player with good thoughts, theres not much more you could do.