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Question: So would you like change virii's income from a player's HPD account to a faction's HPD account?
Yes, because that would make the game more fun.
Yes, because that would give new players and old players alike a cheap way to earn income.
Yes, because that would add more missions.
No, I like the game balanced.

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Brok Ironfist
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« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2010, 07:56:17 PM »

So are these numbers the install times or disinfect times?

I'm fine with them as install times (BTW nice formula).  Disinfect times are what I'm worried about.  Even though it'll hurt me just as much as everyone else, I want to make sure that even a 30+ version doesn't turn into a 50+ hour disinfect. 

How about something along the lines of your numbers * .8 to get the disinfect time.  Disinfects are quicker than installs, but would allow room to grow with the install time.

Your comment before of million BW server farms scares me.  Robber barons scared me until SirEmi implemented the 5 hours per .1 change.  What I don't like is unbreakable positions.

I also want to make sure that virii no longer use up the servers BW.  I want to make sure that someone can come in and start stealing files, uploading virii (to fight with their revenue stream, or spyware to steal it) and such.  BW locked servers are no fun.
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« Reply #16 on: July 07, 2010, 11:11:38 PM »

So are these numbers the install times or disinfect times?

Disinfect... I thought we agreed on 2 hours per .1 fileshare and 2 per 1.0 of adware? That is why I tried to keep with 1 hour per .1 file share and 1 hour per adware for disinfects.

I'm fine with them as install times (BTW nice formula).  Disinfect times are what I'm worried about.  Even though it'll hurt me just as much as everyone else, I want to make sure that even a 30+ version doesn't turn into a 50+ hour disinfect.

It took me a while to do those formulas and those charts. Well considering a v30 file share would take 600 hours to install it would have about a 37 hour disinfect time. A v30 adware look on the chart it is not 50+ hours it is somewhere between 10 to 16 hours.

Your comment before of million BW server farms scares me.  Robber barons scared me until SirEmi implemented the 5 hours per .1 change.  What I don't like is unbreakable positions.

Well how do you think people in round 1 got to 1 billion power in 6 months?

I also want to make sure that virii no longer use up the servers BW.  I want to make sure that someone can come in and start stealing files, uploading virii (to fight with their revenue stream, or spyware to steal it) and such.  BW locked servers are no fun.

Well I am trying to implement it in semi-large chucks since my last Virii Bandwidth suggestion only you and I posted in. I think adding a poll helps that way you can vote but do not have to post.
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« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2010, 07:29:21 AM »

Disinfect... I thought we agreed on 2 hours per .1 fileshare and 2 per 1.0 of adware? That is why I tried to keep with 1 hour per .1 file share and 1 hour per adware for disinfects.

Disinfect, good. Wanted to make sure we were on the same page.  Been staying up too late lately and not thinking very clear.  How about labeling the column as disinfect time and adding a install time for comparison.
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« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2010, 08:20:53 AM »

Disinfect... I thought we agreed on 2 hours per .1 fileshare and 2 per 1.0 of adware? That is why I tried to keep with 1 hour per .1 file share and 1 hour per adware for disinfects.

Disinfect, good. Wanted to make sure we were on the same page.  Been staying up too late lately and not thinking very clear.  How about labeling the column as disinfect time and adding a install time for comparison.


Here you go.

Adware

t=8ln(v+7)-15.6

   v  |    t   | hh:mm:ss | hh:mm:ss |
______|________|_disinfect|__install_|
      |        |          |          |
 0.1  | .08076 | 00:04:51 | 00:12:00 |
 0.2  | .19265 | 00:11:34 | 00:24:00 |
 0.3  | .30299 | 00:18:11 | 00:36:00 |
 0.4  | .41184 | 00:24:43 | 00:48:00 |
 0.5  | .51922 | 00:31:09 | 01:00:00 |
 0.6  | .62519 | 00:37:31 | 01:12:00 |
 0.7  | .72976 | 00:43:47 | 01:24:00 |
 0.8  | .83299 | 00:49:59 | 01:36:00 |
 0.9  | .93490 | 00:56:06 | 01:48:00 |
 1.0  | 1.0355 | 01:02:08 | 02:00:00 |
 2.0  | 1.9778 | 01:58:40 | 04:00:00 |
 3.0  | 2.8207 | 02:49:15 | 06:00:00 |
 4.0  | 3.5832 | 03:35:00 | 08:00:00 |
 5.0  | 4.2793 | 04:16:45 | 10:00:00 |
 10.0 | 7.0657 | 07:03:57 | 20:00:00 |
 20.0 | 10.767 | 10:46:01 | 40:00:00 |
 50.0 | 16.744 | 16:44:38 | 100:00:00|
 100.0| 21.783 | 21:46:59 | 200:00:00|
 200.0| 27.062 | 27:03:43 | 400:00:00|
______|________|__________|__________|


File Share:

t = 25log(v+1)

  v  |    t   | hh:mm:ss | hh:mm:ss |
_____|________| disinfect|_install__|
     |        |          |          |
 0.1 | 1.0348 | 01:02:05 | 02:00:00 |
 0.2 | 1.9795 | 01:58:46 | 04:00:00 |
 0.3 | 2.8486 | 02:58:55 | 06:00:00 |
 0.4 | 3.6532 | 03:39:12 | 08:00:00 |
 0.5 | 4.4023 | 04:24:08 | 10:00:00 |
 0.6 | 5.103  | 05:06:11 | 12:00:00 |
 0.7 | 5.7612 | 05:45:40 | 14:00:00 |
 0.8 | 6.3818 | 06:22:54 | 16:00:00 |
 0.9 | 6.9688 | 06:58:08 | 18:00:00 |
 1.0 | 7.5257 | 07:31:33 | 20:00:00 |
 2.0 | 11.928 | 11:55:41 | 40:00:00 |
 3.0 | 15.051 | 15:03:04 | 60:00:00 |
 4.0 | 17.474 | 17:28:26 | 80:00:00 |
 5.0 | 19.454 | 19:27:14 | 100:00:00|
 10.0| 26.035 | 26:02:06 | 200:00:00|
 20.0| 33.055 | 33:03:18 | 400:00:00|
_____|________|__________|__________|
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« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2010, 09:24:56 PM »

Okay.  I'm all on board. 
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« Reply #20 on: July 09, 2010, 09:41:53 AM »

Okay.  I'm all on board. 

Ok well it depends if Sir Emi actually uses my formula. Well 75% say yes for this and 25% say no so I wonder if Sir Emi will implement this.
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« Reply #21 on: July 10, 2010, 11:37:16 AM »

well 1/4 of the choices are no
and 1/3 of the votes are no
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« Reply #22 on: July 10, 2010, 01:15:48 PM »

well 1/4 of the choices are no
and 1/3 of the votes are no

What are you trying to say bontrose?
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« Reply #23 on: July 11, 2010, 10:58:04 AM »

Wrong?

3/4 of the choices and votes are yes
and 1/4 of the votes are no ?
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« Reply #24 on: July 11, 2010, 11:17:32 AM »

somebody voted
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« Reply #25 on: July 11, 2010, 12:50:47 PM »

Wrong?

3/4 of the choices and votes are yes
and 1/4 of the votes are no ?

Yes, as Alpha knows, I like to remain positive so lets go with this.
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« Reply #26 on: July 12, 2010, 12:55:54 PM »

okay majority says yes
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« Reply #27 on: July 12, 2010, 05:51:30 PM »

okay majority says yes

Because it is a good idea.
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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2010, 11:51:50 AM »

OK I have been thinking. To make this update more balanced I think that .1 file share will take 2 hours to install like now but v2 adware will take 2 hours to install so that the income between file share and adware will be equal. .1 Baron will take 20 hours for income equalization.

Because .1 file share earn 60 HPD per hour and V2 adware also earn 60 HPD per hour (3*20) and baron earn 1200 HPD per hour so 1200/60 = 20.

I think I am going to have to redo the function for file share and adware and come up of one for barons. I am going to make them all natural logarithmic functions.

Alright these are the new disinfect functions I came up with.

Adware is y= .91ln(x+1)
File share is y= 11ln(x+1)
Barons is y= 105ln(x+1)

Ill edit this post with a cool ascii time chart for each when I feel like it.
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« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2010, 11:26:54 AM »

adware is 1hpd per band per hr
fs is 1.2 hpd per band per hr
baron is .8 hpd per band per hr

this change would kill the baron
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