Title: Abilities list Post by: siremi on April 28, 2009, 09:46:26 PM There is a link now that list the abilities in the game with explanations. The link is the left main menu, under Software Types: http://www.hacker-project.com/index.php?action=ability_list Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: Araeus on April 29, 2009, 12:00:00 AM Quote True Light Log Deleter runtime The software will run faster for you True Light Firewall Bypass runtime The software will run faster for you Omnicron Scan Blocker runtime The software will run faster for you Icarus Log UnDeleter runtime The software will run faster for you Hakuza IP Cloaker runtime The software will run faster for you Still don't get those ones... they don't have runtimes. Quote Omnicron File Share Virus runtime The software will run faster for you Omnicron Malware Logic Bomb runtime The software will run faster for you Icarus SpyWare runtime The software will run faster for you Icarus Sniffer Daemon runtime The software will run faster for you Hakuza Malware Overload Bomb runtime The software will run faster for you Hakuza Adware Spam Daemon runtime The software will run faster for you Install times for virii? Effect times? Does a malware running for 1 hour do the damage of one running for 1.01 hours with a 1% increase? Does an adware/fileshare give the money of 1.01 hours with a 1 hour collect on a 1% increase? Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: virus man on April 29, 2009, 01:56:17 AM Abilities will likely be getting revamped especially since one of the factions provides an unfair advantage with the current faction missions well 2 factions do.
Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: Triadian on April 29, 2009, 02:32:16 AM Abilities will likely be getting revamped especially since one of the factions provides an unfair advantage with the current faction missions well 2 factions do. how is there an unfair advantage ? i assume you mean decrypt runtime. only those on icarus will have it and only the icarus people will be doing them. so they all have the same chance, icarus people are not dis-infecting the same files as true-light. nothing unfair there ? Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: siremi on April 29, 2009, 09:58:41 AM Abilities will likely be getting revamped especially since one of the factions provides an unfair advantage with the current faction missions well 2 factions do. how is there an unfair advantage ? i assume you mean decrypt runtime. only those on icarus will have it and only the icarus people will be doing them. so they all have the same chance, icarus people are not dis-infecting the same files as true-light. nothing unfair there ? This is correct, the Icarus people will battle for their own faction Search & Destroy missions so there is no unfair advantage. Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: siremi on April 29, 2009, 09:59:44 AM Quote True Light Log Deleter runtime The software will run faster for you True Light Firewall Bypass runtime The software will run faster for you Omnicron Scan Blocker runtime The software will run faster for you Icarus Log UnDeleter runtime The software will run faster for you Hakuza IP Cloaker runtime The software will run faster for you Still don't get those ones... they don't have runtimes. Quote Omnicron File Share Virus runtime The software will run faster for you Omnicron Malware Logic Bomb runtime The software will run faster for you Icarus SpyWare runtime The software will run faster for you Icarus Sniffer Daemon runtime The software will run faster for you Hakuza Malware Overload Bomb runtime The software will run faster for you Hakuza Adware Spam Daemon runtime The software will run faster for you Install times for virii? Effect times? Does a malware running for 1 hour do the damage of one running for 1.01 hours with a 1% increase? Does an adware/fileshare give the money of 1.01 hours with a 1 hour collect on a 1% increase? The runtimes on virii will affect virii install times and research tasks. The version is un-affected by any abilities... yet :) Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: virus man on April 29, 2009, 11:37:14 AM Abilities will likely be getting revamped especially since one of the factions provides an unfair advantage with the current faction missions well 2 factions do. how is there an unfair advantage ? i assume you mean decrypt runtime. only those on icarus will have it and only the icarus people will be doing them. so they all have the same chance, icarus people are not dis-infecting the same files as true-light. nothing unfair there ? This is correct, the Icarus people will battle for their own faction Search & Destroy missions so there is no unfair advantage. Except you are forgetting one important thing. HPD / Hour. If any faction has any bonuses on decreasing the time it takes to complete a mission then those factions will generate a higher HPD / Hour than others. This gives an unfair advantage that anyone who looks at the abilities will see that 2 factions have the ability to do. I am really surprised no one saw that. That is something I am working towards preventing with the revamped abilities. But that also means those software packages that can be abused in such a manner will not be on the list. Another thing that you seem to have forgotten was a tactic that SGP came up with in R1 before we started doing the farms. And as the abilities are set that means an exponential increase in income especially with how AP efficient it is. That combined with the faction missions will allow those who know the tactics, which many do and it can be found on these forums since we made it public, will allow an unfair advantage to those who are informed. Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: Triadian on April 29, 2009, 02:02:17 PM not really
True light = Password Break runtime = faster doing standard delete missions Omnicron = File Share Virus runtime = faster installs of virii Icarus = Decryptor runtime = faster faction missions Hakuza = Adware Spam Daemon runtime = faster installs of virii seems they all have a hand in the faster cash pie your just viewing things from a mission point of view - some people dont do any missions the 2 you consider lacking are implemented for them. horses for courses.... Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: jager on April 29, 2009, 02:19:01 PM Just for intermezzo - does anybody really using Adware virii? :) Why?
Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: Araeus on April 29, 2009, 02:20:41 PM The problem though is that Icarus can get their faction missions done faster and therefore end up with higher standing, more points, and therefore better abilities.
I think that's what ebolla is saying, anyway. I agree, slightly, and venture a question. Why is decryptor runtime less expensive (in point cost) than Anti-spyware? 1 point cost vs 3 point cost. I know spyware is going to be big and bad in the next round with the focus on secret server farms again, but that seems like a large difference considering you still only get the 1% increase on anti-spyware... jager: adware might be a much better plan next round than in previous. You can upload quickly, install quickly, and collect profits faster off another person's personal servers, where a fileshare would never be able to finish. Which is why Hakuza gets them as more of the offensive, attack faction. Especially if you speed up your adware install time. Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: ivandrago on April 29, 2009, 02:21:58 PM Another thing that you seem to have forgotten was a tactic that SGP came up with in R1 before we started doing the farms. And as the abilities are set that means an exponential increase in income especially with how AP efficient it is. That combined with the faction missions will allow those who know the tactics, which many do and it can be found on these forums since we made it public, will allow an unfair advantage to those who are informed. I'm not sure what tactic you talking about ? But if it's the tactic where you start a desinfect task right after installing a virus and then try find the corresponding desinfect mission, then I'm not sure if it will be garanteed to succeed again. And one other thing: if I understood correctly then we will soon have a bigger variety of faction mission. Maybe other factions specialities will give an advantage on those. Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: jager on April 29, 2009, 02:48:31 PM jager: adware might be a much better plan next round than in previous. You can upload quickly, install quickly, and collect profits faster off another person's personal servers, where a fileshare would never be able to finish. Which is why Hakuza gets them as more of the offensive, attack faction. Good point, thanks. I forgot about offensive PvP that could be strong in next round ... And now that you mention it - bw is going to be a problem again and therefor FS renderend quite useless. Dang, completely new tactics indeed. Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: virus man on April 29, 2009, 10:27:08 PM not really True light = Password Break runtime = faster doing standard delete missions Omnicron = File Share Virus runtime = faster installs of virii Icarus = Decryptor runtime = faster faction missions Hakuza = Adware Spam Daemon runtime = faster installs of virii seems they all have a hand in the faster cash pie your just viewing things from a mission point of view - some people dont do any missions the 2 you consider lacking are implemented for them. horses for courses.... Installing virii faster will not help much due to AP limitations. Nice try but you are not looking at it from a logical point of view. Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: virus man on April 29, 2009, 10:29:10 PM Another thing that you seem to have forgotten was a tactic that SGP came up with in R1 before we started doing the farms. And as the abilities are set that means an exponential increase in income especially with how AP efficient it is. That combined with the faction missions will allow those who know the tactics, which many do and it can be found on these forums since we made it public, will allow an unfair advantage to those who are informed. I'm not sure what tactic you talking about ? But if it's the tactic where you start a desinfect task right after installing a virus and then try find the corresponding desinfect mission, then I'm not sure if it will be garanteed to succeed again. And one other thing: if I understood correctly then we will soon have a bigger variety of faction mission. Maybe other factions specialities will give an advantage on those. Good job. Some actually paid attention to R1. Now can you recall which style is most efficient on the AP? Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: virus man on April 29, 2009, 10:31:07 PM jager: adware might be a much better plan next round than in previous. You can upload quickly, install quickly, and collect profits faster off another person's personal servers, where a fileshare would never be able to finish. Which is why Hakuza gets them as more of the offensive, attack faction. Good point, thanks. I forgot about offensive PvP that could be strong in next round ... And now that you mention it - bw is going to be a problem again and therefor FS renderend quite useless. Dang, completely new tactics indeed. There is another very important reason but because of it is why SGP came up with the private farms since we looked at the most efficient use of AP. Now though with the way that the BW is limited on the NPC servers to what they state they have Adware may very well become king again. It is all about the AP. Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: Araeus on April 29, 2009, 10:41:01 PM Another thing that you seem to have forgotten was a tactic that SGP came up with in R1 before we started doing the farms. And as the abilities are set that means an exponential increase in income especially with how AP efficient it is. That combined with the faction missions will allow those who know the tactics, which many do and it can be found on these forums since we made it public, will allow an unfair advantage to those who are informed. I'm not sure what tactic you talking about ? But if it's the tactic where you start a desinfect task right after installing a virus and then try find the corresponding desinfect mission, then I'm not sure if it will be garanteed to succeed again. And one other thing: if I understood correctly then we will soon have a bigger variety of faction mission. Maybe other factions specialities will give an advantage on those. Good job. Some actually paid attention to R1. Now can you recall which style is most efficient on the AP? Yeah, that could be a problem. Obviously you would hit a wall with AP usage for infection/disinfection, but faction missions will allow you to regain AP faster and therefore complete more... Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: ivandrago on April 30, 2009, 07:35:49 AM Good job. Some actually paid attention to R1. Now can you recall which style is most efficient on the AP? Sorry no, I don't remember anything other then SGP posting about this method on the forum. But what I was trying to say is that to me it seems most effecient if you just install a virus and then prevent anyone from desinfecting it (which should be easier now that we have process tracers). I don't know the exact AP cost to trace and hack people but atleast it keeps the cash comming in. Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: jager on April 30, 2009, 08:00:04 AM Hm perhaps. PT needs 15 (or is it 30?) AP. It runs 30 minutes. However to succeed, you need from about 5 to 30 traces to get IP. Since at the beginning we won't have much hardware, you will be able to run 1-3 max PT. Version will be lower which means lower chance. So ... since the moment you find out that someone is disinfecting to the moment you will be able to stop the process - 2 hours at best (3 PT x 2 tries = 1 hour, 1 hour for cracking) to few hours ... Disinfecting adware is quite fast process ...
This is going to be fun :) Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: virus man on April 30, 2009, 12:25:09 PM Good job. Some actually paid attention to R1. Now can you recall which style is most efficient on the AP? Sorry no, I don't remember anything other then SGP posting about this method on the forum. But what I was trying to say is that to me it seems most effecient if you just install a virus and then prevent anyone from desinfecting it (which should be easier now that we have process tracers). I don't know the exact AP cost to trace and hack people but atleast it keeps the cash comming in. It is all about maximizing your HPD/AP ratio as much as possible. The are lots of problems and issues with trying to keep your virii in place. To be honest I am surprised no one is disinfecting virii already this round. Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: Triadian on April 30, 2009, 12:31:13 PM It is all about maximizing your HPD/AP ratio as much as possible. The are lots of problems and issues with trying to keep your virii in place. To be honest I am surprised no one is disinfecting virii already this round. well personally i only disinfect for the mission rewards, as im not doing missions atm - i see no point and when i did dis-infect i did so only during the last 4 hours of the server reseting - so that the player and me both get the money. Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: siremi on April 30, 2009, 01:03:48 PM After reading the posts, I see no one pointed out that Icarus faction agents, while they may have a faster completion time on the Search & Destroy mission, they will also have a ton more competition to tackle.
While more folks will get into the faction to get their faction missions 10% faster, they will shortly notice they will be cracked and their processes killed by rival agents doing the same mission, so the 10% bonus may not be worth the extra competition hassle... Adware may become more used since the higher advare version requires research of higher adware anti-virus, reducing the number of competitive disinfectors as opposed to the low version file share AV that will be provided by the secret servers and will not require as much research. All in all, very good points and I see some great tactics in the round ahead :5: :shifty: Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: jager on May 01, 2009, 04:11:24 AM Adware may become more used since the higher advare version requires research of higher adware anti-virus, reducing the number of competitive disinfectors as opposed to the low version file share AV that will be provided by the secret servers and will not require as much research. So the spawning of new files on secret servers will be slowed? Because this round at the beginning it was useless to research some software - in the time you researched to some version - double that was put on secrets ... virii AV were the most active and if you look at files right now - noone was researching those ... Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: Triadian on May 01, 2009, 06:26:31 AM Adware may become more used since the higher advare version requires research of higher adware anti-virus, reducing the number of competitive disinfectors as opposed to the low version file share AV that will be provided by the secret servers and will not require as much research. So the spawning of new files on secret servers will be slowed? Because this round at the beginning it was useless to research some software - in the time you researched to some version - double that was put on secrets ... virii AV were the most active and if you look at files right now - noone was researching those ... i'm still waiting for the files on unlisted servers to start spawning, we was offered a choice of complete our mission or download some juicy software instead - all unlisted servers so far have contained just 3 files - none of which i would consider juicy. Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: Araeus on May 01, 2009, 10:09:40 AM Adware may become more used since the higher advare version requires research of higher adware anti-virus, reducing the number of competitive disinfectors as opposed to the low version file share AV that will be provided by the secret servers and will not require as much research. So the spawning of new files on secret servers will be slowed? Because this round at the beginning it was useless to research some software - in the time you researched to some version - double that was put on secrets ... virii AV were the most active and if you look at files right now - noone was researching those ... i'm still waiting for the files on unlisted servers to start spawning, we was offered a choice of complete our mission or download some juicy software instead - all unlisted servers so far have contained just 3 files - none of which i would consider juicy. Ooo, that could be interesting I hope it gets implemented... Title: Re: Abilities list Post by: siremi on May 01, 2009, 10:28:39 AM i'm still waiting for the files on unlisted servers to start spawning, we was offered a choice of complete our mission or download some juicy software instead - all unlisted servers so far have contained just 3 files - none of which i would consider juicy. Yeah, I added the basic functionality for the missions, working on the software spawns. |