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I think a virii's income comes from a faction account instead of players. This would mean no more virus leak and you can install file share virii and adware virii on private servers like barons. I also think missions should be added to faction's server to hack player's farms and disinfect virii for money like Kill the Baron missions that way you do not have phantom mega virii farms. This also allows player to get the ip of player's private servers, thus even less need for the IP dealer which should go. Also that would This would be an increase of PvP after all what better place to attack that a player's economic base. Additionally it would add missions so you can do something besides decrypt mission grinding.

I agree with this idea and give it my full support.

I also give this idea my full support.

As part of this.  Disinfects should be MUCH quicker.

I like this idea, I also like the viruses not using bandwidth on secret servers idea too.. Either of them would result in more disinfect missions, more farms for smaller players without barons up, but it all needs balancing.

But I know AP cost to HPD income is related as Glitch (i think) worked out before...

But what we don't want is people to stop using secret servers and doing missions again because it's easier to sit and install viruses constantly... But AP is still a limiting factor so people should still be doing decrypts to gain it..

hmm

In conclusion - Ya, I can see it working, although it may be confusing to switch back to that system for some people...

HMMM

Yeah like switching from the government doing everything for you to you doing everything yourself.


I updated my first post. Like that Brok?

Glitch,

I think the installs should take longer than the disinfects.  Reason being is that on your own server it would be much easier to install your virii than someone to disinfect it, plus you are able to change IP very easily.  I would hate to see the reemergence of virus servers that are unbeatable.

Plus, I can easily see very large versions of the FileShare and Adware being installed on your own gateways.  Maybe put in place a maximum limit on the time to disinfect, something along the lines of 6 hours.  This will give people a chance to actually complete missions against another player. 

So no V20 file shares? Ok. So switch it so it takes 1 hour for virus disinfecting per .1 of file share and 1.0 of adware. but, virii installs will be 1 hour per .1 of file share and 1.0 of adware. Barons will install take 5 hours per .1 to install.


No because that would limit the version of fileshare and adware that could be researched. I think if you are willing to wait 200 hours for v10 file share to install it should take 100 hours to disinfect it. Your patience should be rewarded.

how about you don't get any money off of your own server or a player of your faction

No. The whole point is for you to install virii onto your server and collect income just like you do with barons.

i thought it was to make dead servers into little moneymakers

Yeah the dead servers you buy.

inactive ppl's i meant

I know what you meant and I made a sarcastic comment.

Alright I have done some thinking and I think we can compromise on what I have thought of. I have thought of instead of placing a maximum limit how about make it a function that would decrease the effectiveness of installing higher versions of file share and adware. For example, the function t = 25log(v+1), where v is the software version of a file share and t is the time in hours. Here are some of the values that this function would give.


t = 25log(v+1)

  v  |    t   | hh:mm:ss | hh:mm:ss |
_____|________| disinfect|_install__|
     |        |          |          |
 0.1 | 1.0348 | 01:02:05 | 02:00:00 |
 0.2 | 1.9795 | 01:58:46 | 04:00:00 |
 0.3 | 2.8486 | 02:58:55 | 06:00:00 |
 0.4 | 3.6532 | 03:39:12 | 08:00:00 |
 0.5 | 4.4023 | 04:24:08 | 10:00:00 |
 0.6 | 5.103  | 05:06:11 | 12:00:00 |
 0.7 | 5.7612 | 05:45:40 | 14:00:00 |
 0.8 | 6.3818 | 06:22:54 | 16:00:00 |
 0.9 | 6.9688 | 06:58:08 | 18:00:00 |
 1.0 | 7.5257 | 07:31:33 | 20:00:00 |
 2.0 | 11.928 | 11:55:41 | 40:00:00 |
 3.0 | 15.051 | 15:03:04 | 60:00:00 |
 4.0 | 17.474 | 17:28:26 | 80:00:00 |
 5.0 | 19.454 | 19:27:14 | 100:00:00|
 10.0| 26.035 | 26:02:06 | 200:00:00|
 20.0| 33.055 | 33:03:18 | 400:00:00|
_____|________|__________|__________|


That way the time continues to increase with an increase in software version but there is a diminishing increase. I am thinking t=8ln(v+7)-15.6 for adware.


t=8ln(v+7)-15.6

   v  |    t   | hh:mm:ss | hh:mm:ss |
______|________|_disinfect|__install_|
      |        |          |          |
 0.1  | .08076 | 00:04:51 | 00:12:00 |
 0.2  | .19265 | 00:11:34 | 00:24:00 |
 0.3  | .30299 | 00:18:11 | 00:36:00 |
 0.4  | .41184 | 00:24:43 | 00:48:00 |
 0.5  | .51922 | 00:31:09 | 01:00:00 |
 0.6  | .62519 | 00:37:31 | 01:12:00 |
 0.7  | .72976 | 00:43:47 | 01:24:00 |
 0.8  | .83299 | 00:49:59 | 01:36:00 |
 0.9  | .93490 | 00:56:06 | 01:48:00 |
 1.0  | 1.0355 | 01:02:08 | 02:00:00 |
 2.0  | 1.9778 | 01:58:40 | 04:00:00 |
 3.0  | 2.8207 | 02:49:15 | 06:00:00 |
 4.0  | 3.5832 | 03:35:00 | 08:00:00 |
 5.0  | 4.2793 | 04:16:45 | 10:00:00 |
 10.0 | 7.0657 | 07:03:57 | 20:00:00 |
 20.0 | 10.767 | 10:46:01 | 40:00:00 |
 50.0 | 16.744 | 16:44:38 | 100:00:00|
 100.0| 21.783 | 21:46:59 | 200:00:00|
 200.0| 27.062 | 27:03:43 | 400:00:00|
______|________|__________|__________|


What do you think Brok? And what do you think Sir Emi? People have voted 5 to 2 for this update...

So are these numbers the install times or disinfect times?

I'm fine with them as install times (BTW nice formula).  Disinfect times are what I'm worried about.  Even though it'll hurt me just as much as everyone else, I want to make sure that even a 30+ version doesn't turn into a 50+ hour disinfect. 

How about something along the lines of your numbers * .8 to get the disinfect time.  Disinfects are quicker than installs, but would allow room to grow with the install time.

Your comment before of million BW server farms scares me.  Robber barons scared me until SirEmi implemented the 5 hours per .1 change.  What I don't like is unbreakable positions.

I also want to make sure that virii no longer use up the servers BW.  I want to make sure that someone can come in and start stealing files, uploading virii (to fight with their revenue stream, or spyware to steal it) and such.  BW locked servers are no fun.

Disinfect... I thought we agreed on 2 hours per .1 fileshare and 2 per 1.0 of adware? That is why I tried to keep with 1 hour per .1 file share and 1 hour per adware for disinfects.


It took me a while to do those formulas and those charts. Well considering a v30 file share would take 600 hours to install it would have about a 37 hour disinfect time. A v30 adware look on the chart it is not 50+ hours it is somewhere between 10 to 16 hours.


Well how do you think people in round 1 got to 1 billion power in 6 months?


Well I am trying to implement it in semi-large chucks since my last Virii Bandwidth suggestion only you and I posted in. I think adding a poll helps that way you can vote but do not have to post.

Disinfect, good. Wanted to make sure we were on the same page.  Been staying up too late lately and not thinking very clear.  How about labeling the column as disinfect time and adding a install time for comparison.

Here you go.

Adware

t=8ln(v+7)-15.6

   v  |    t   | hh:mm:ss | hh:mm:ss |
______|________|_disinfect|__install_|
      |        |          |          |
 0.1  | .08076 | 00:04:51 | 00:12:00 |
 0.2  | .19265 | 00:11:34 | 00:24:00 |
 0.3  | .30299 | 00:18:11 | 00:36:00 |
 0.4  | .41184 | 00:24:43 | 00:48:00 |
 0.5  | .51922 | 00:31:09 | 01:00:00 |
 0.6  | .62519 | 00:37:31 | 01:12:00 |
 0.7  | .72976 | 00:43:47 | 01:24:00 |
 0.8  | .83299 | 00:49:59 | 01:36:00 |
 0.9  | .93490 | 00:56:06 | 01:48:00 |
 1.0  | 1.0355 | 01:02:08 | 02:00:00 |
 2.0  | 1.9778 | 01:58:40 | 04:00:00 |
 3.0  | 2.8207 | 02:49:15 | 06:00:00 |
 4.0  | 3.5832 | 03:35:00 | 08:00:00 |
 5.0  | 4.2793 | 04:16:45 | 10:00:00 |
 10.0 | 7.0657 | 07:03:57 | 20:00:00 |
 20.0 | 10.767 | 10:46:01 | 40:00:00 |
 50.0 | 16.744 | 16:44:38 | 100:00:00|
 100.0| 21.783 | 21:46:59 | 200:00:00|
 200.0| 27.062 | 27:03:43 | 400:00:00|
______|________|__________|__________|


File Share:

t = 25log(v+1)

  v  |    t   | hh:mm:ss | hh:mm:ss |
_____|________| disinfect|_install__|
     |        |          |          |
 0.1 | 1.0348 | 01:02:05 | 02:00:00 |
 0.2 | 1.9795 | 01:58:46 | 04:00:00 |
 0.3 | 2.8486 | 02:58:55 | 06:00:00 |
 0.4 | 3.6532 | 03:39:12 | 08:00:00 |
 0.5 | 4.4023 | 04:24:08 | 10:00:00 |
 0.6 | 5.103  | 05:06:11 | 12:00:00 |
 0.7 | 5.7612 | 05:45:40 | 14:00:00 |
 0.8 | 6.3818 | 06:22:54 | 16:00:00 |
 0.9 | 6.9688 | 06:58:08 | 18:00:00 |
 1.0 | 7.5257 | 07:31:33 | 20:00:00 |
 2.0 | 11.928 | 11:55:41 | 40:00:00 |
 3.0 | 15.051 | 15:03:04 | 60:00:00 |
 4.0 | 17.474 | 17:28:26 | 80:00:00 |
 5.0 | 19.454 | 19:27:14 | 100:00:00|
 10.0| 26.035 | 26:02:06 | 200:00:00|
 20.0| 33.055 | 33:03:18 | 400:00:00|
_____|________|__________|__________|

Okay.  I'm all on board. 

Ok well it depends if Sir Emi actually uses my formula. Well 75% say yes for this and 25% say no so I wonder if Sir Emi will implement this.

well 1/4 of the choices are no
and 1/3 of the votes are no

What are you trying to say bontrose?

Wrong?

3/4 of the choices and votes are yes
and 1/4 of the votes are no ?

somebody voted

Yes, as Alpha knows, I like to remain positive so lets go with this.

okay majority says yes

Because it is a good idea.

OK I have been thinking. To make this update more balanced I think that .1 file share will take 2 hours to install like now but v2 adware will take 2 hours to install so that the income between file share and adware will be equal. .1 Baron will take 20 hours for income equalization.

Because .1 file share earn 60 HPD per hour and V2 adware also earn 60 HPD per hour (3*20) and baron earn 1200 HPD per hour so 1200/60 = 20.

I think I am going to have to redo the function for file share and adware and come up of one for barons. I am going to make them all natural logarithmic functions.

Alright these are the new disinfect functions I came up with.

Adware is y= .91ln(x+1)
File share is y= 11ln(x+1)
Barons is y= 105ln(x+1)

Ill edit this post with a cool ascii time chart for each when I feel like it.

adware is 1hpd per band per hr
fs is 1.2 hpd per band per hr
baron is .8 hpd per band per hr

this change would kill the baron

How would it kill the baron?  Right now it takes 52 hours per .1 to install a baron and 5 hours per .1 to disinfect it.

If as Glitch proposes it would make the baron easier to install and fall inline with the other virii. 

Barons would still be the preferred install method as it would take longer per .1 to disinfect.

I still think this idea deserves merit.  Especially if missions were created against the virii and the disinfect times are reduced dramatically.  In addition, removing the bandwidth being tied up by the virii it would allow others better access to hack the servers and install spyware and their own virii.

Yeah and my suggestion it would be 20 hours for installation and beginning at 10 hours and decreasing since logarithmic functions are the opposite of exponential functions.


Yeah I am trying to make the income of the virii match the install times. A baron earns 1200 per hour but takes 20 hours to install. A v2 file share earns 1200 per hour and takes 20 hours to install (2/.1*1). A v40 adware earns 1200 per hour and would take 20 hours to install (40/2/.1*2).


If you can stand the long install times you will get somewhat long disinfect times.


Well I am still wondering about the AP issue. How much should it be reduced or should it be gotten rid of? I am considering getting rid of AP for virus installs and disinfects entirely.