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46  Hacker Project Café / Whatever / Re: Drugs on: August 22, 2008, 11:51:16 AM
As for the hookah, I have serious doubts as to its effectiveness. Again, a lower temperature means more 'unwanted' substances, because the combustion is incomplete, and the water is not an effective barrier to substances that are not, or weakly so, water-soluble, among them aromatic hydrocarbons, which are known carcinogens. Add to it the fact that most users inhale more deeply and may both inhale more smoke and hold it in their lungs longer, and you've got something that is potentially worse.

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Hold on you have your argument backwards.

If something is NOT water soluble - that means it will NOT pass a water barrier. It cannot dissolve into the water therefore it will not go into the mixture which you inhale from the hookah which as far as I recall must go through water to get to your lungs.
47  General Category / HP History / Re: Do you want the number one account in this game? on: August 22, 2008, 11:39:17 AM
Thoughts on selling accounts - I am not against it, though I think it's a pity because

1) I like to take on the guy who made it to #1
2) Almost invariably whoever buys the top account is less skilled than the person who got the account there. Makes the challenge that little bit less challenging.

I like the fact you'll sell the tips too so that whomever makes it there does not crash and burn.
48  General Category / HP History / Re: Do you want the number one account in this game? on: August 22, 2008, 01:46:02 AM
I want to say that I have nothing against selling of accounts, but you may want to warn your buyers that the game may have rounds.

Uh uh... whenever it's ready could you share a bit more your thoughts on this Sir Emi? It can have a big impact on the strategy on the coming days. (Specifically - if you upgrade a gold server I assume you keep the upgraded server through different rounds?)
49  Hacker Project Café / Whatever / Re: Drugs on: August 22, 2008, 01:42:46 AM
Smoking is Strongly correlated to lung cancer.

There is the rub. There is a correlation - not proof of action. Correlation does not constitute proof in and of itself as it does not demonstrate a casuality link.

For lay people this is what it means in a few questions and answers:


Does nicotine cause cancer?

Maybe. We are not sure. All evidence points to the fact that it does cause cancer but evidence is not conclusive. (Note - it is *extremely* difficult to prove something actually causes cancer. This has only been proven with a mechanism for action and the whole shebang for very few substances, last time I checked 6 maybe now 10-20)

Does smoking cause cancer?

Yes. Unless you die of something else first or you have the perfect genes of the uberman or the luck of a leprechaun smoking will eventually cause cancer. We don't know exactly why (maybe its the nicotine, or the tar, or the heat from the cigarette smoke - we just don't know exactly why) but we are pretty sure it will happen. Eventually. (My apologies to Moen on this I hate to rub this sort of thing in)

There hope that helps.

One last thing because It's starting to irk:

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@the chewing tobacco,
the nicotine travels with your spit down to your stomache, almost everything of it is destroyed by  the acid inside your stomache, so not mmuch harm caused..

And how is that different from swallowing a solution of nicotine? It still has to get through the stomach I believe.

Right now who else enjoys endorphins???

 mf_laughbounce2

50  Hacker Project Café / Whatever / Re: Drugs on: August 21, 2008, 04:59:36 PM
Ok so back on topic which originally started...

My fav drugs are endorphins. They are fantastic. I love them. Can't get enough of them. Wish I could get more of them. Addicted and proud of it. I only ever use those I make myself however. Can't go around trusting others with this sort of thing.

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51  Hacker Project Café / Whatever / Re: Drugs on: August 21, 2008, 04:58:30 PM
And Witcher; I said it was lethal to drink clean of. Not by mixing it in a steak or what you whatever said. In those ways you mentioned high doses it was never concentrated. Its lethalness depends on how it is mixed.

I was reading about it and the facts came from a chemestry/biology professor so Ill take it as granted that its true.

Really? So by your reasoning arsenic mixed with salt is no longer toxic? I don't recommend you try that... Take it from someone who knows. (really I know). It is true that the lethality of a toxin depends on the method of delivery - thus an ingested toxin will have a different LD50 than the same toxin inhaled or that same toxin absorbed through skin or injected intravenously, or elsewhere (subcutaneously, intraperitoneally, or if you want to be really nasty into the CNS)

However the concentration of the toxin is entirely irrelevant. If the LD50 of a toxin is 50 mg, it doesn't matter if you drink the 50 mg in a thimble or in a 2 litre bottle - it will still have 50% chance of killing you. There is a (slight) difference with toxins administered with certain foodstuffs - but generallly this is only the case for foodstuffs which are capable of inactivating or sequestering the toxin such as high roughage content food (which could bind to the toxin and make it unavailable - for instance muesli... don't try lacing muesli with arsenic though!) or substances which contain a significant amount of fat particles which could again sequester the toxin resulting either in activation or delayed release. (for instance... milk!) However in the case cited above the carrier was readily digestible (meat!) and therefore most of the nicotine would have been available as expected. (With the exception of that destroyed in the cooking process). In the case of tobacco chewing the nicotine becomes available directly into the saliva - in that case there is really NO physiological difference between drinking the stuff and chewing the tobacco.

I'll tell you another thing about chemistry professors - and I generally like the guys, spent enough time around them! - They are not always right (nor is anyone else). Trust yourself and check everything you are told. You'll find inconsistencies now and then but by resolving them you'll probably learn something interesting.

Thats my last word on this - you don't need to believe me. I don't ask you to. Check the evidence though.

Take a look at this:

http://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/nicotine/casedef.asp
52  General Category / HP History / Re: Do you want the number one account in this game? on: August 21, 2008, 04:35:57 PM
Bah humbug... just when my diabolical plan to take you down was coming to fruition...

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53  Hacker Project Café / Whatever / Re: Drugs on: August 21, 2008, 12:50:27 PM
Arthur a piece of advice. Don't believe everything you read.

Especially NOT if it comes from Wikipedia. (which this may or may not have done)

True a cigarette can contain the amounts you quoted (note - can - usually it doesn't)

The LD 50% in human is estimated to be around 50 mg ... estimated but never proven except...

Guess what? There are nicotine patches out there which contain 24 mg of nicotine. Now what does that mean? I slap a couple of those on you while you sleep and BLAM you die? Er... no. If that was the case people like the FDA would not let them out for people to play with...

Or consider this ... a batch of ground beef had been released which was contaminated with 300 mg/kg of nicotine. Sure it made some people sick... but no one died. If the LD 50% was 50 mg you would have seen several deaths. Particularly in children.

And yeah - picking tobacco actually makes some people sick under certain conditions, probably due to nicotine (nicotine transfers very well through skin... hence the nicotine patch!)

So... sorry your numbers are waaaaaaaaaaay off. I am not a fan of tobacco and I have grown cells under nicotine stress and I'd be the first to say it's not good for you, but there is no need to be an alarmist.

(BTW : LD 50% is the lethal dose which would cause half (50%) of a population to die).

Another funny fact - (which you should be aware of Arthur as I believe that it's a common thing in your part of the world) how much nicotine do you think people who *chew* tobacco get in their system anyhow? Tobacco paste (or whatever it's called) contains more nicotine than a cigarette, it doesn't get burned and... guess what? People don't die of that either!!!

So... yeah I would say don't smoke. It's bad for you. Heck we all know that - every smoker I have met knows that... But we have to die of something right?  12 (no I don't smoke irl but I don't have a problem with people who do so politely)
54  Hacker Project Café / Game Room / Re: How famous is the person abuve u? on: August 21, 2008, 12:32:07 PM
Do I know you?

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55  Feedback Terminal / Suggestions / Re: Keep locally owned viruses active on IP change. on: August 21, 2008, 12:30:59 PM
I find also that this idea is a good one.  7

(yeah I found this out the hard way! Was a bit of a surprise but oh well I installed by sniffer again and all was good)
56  Hacker Project Café / Whatever / Re: How to become a hacker on: August 21, 2008, 07:23:00 AM
how would you call people who crack games and copy protetion etc.?

Users.

The number of times I've had to push through the copy protection of programs which I had bought because the protection was not implemented properly is ridiculous.
57  General Category / Hi. My name is... / Re: Serin Saying Hello on: August 21, 2008, 07:16:42 AM
Welcome  17
58  Feedback Terminal / Suggestions / Re: New virii on: August 19, 2008, 03:17:11 PM
Back too the new virus. I like the name backdoor virii. I think it should last longer then 48 hours. Each time the local host changes the pwd to get it back you go to the software menu were all the viriis are, and click the collect (or an other name instead of collect) then you get the password. That way the host can put a sniffer virii on his own server to track it.

Do you realise the implications of what you suggest?

Basically this is an absolute lock for a powerful player to control whatever he wants.

Lets say a player decides to put a backdoor virus on my server and lockup my bandwidth (several ways to do this). The player has the hardware and experience to make it really hard for me to track him down. (plenty of those players out there)

He locks me down with a backdoor virii and starts to wipe my server deleting all my files. With what you propose there is absolutely no way I can stop him - I didn't have a strong enough defence to stop him from coming in, and once he is in there is no way I can keep him out. Try to wipe the hardrive? He kills the process before it's complete. Try to disinfect? He kills the process. Try to change IP? He can follow me. Try to change password? clicks on a button and has a new one.

Basically you are implementing a system where you have a sudden death with no possible recovery except maybe making a new account.

I don't like it. Not one bit.
59  Hacker Project Café / Game Room / Re: RAG(random acronym game) on: August 19, 2008, 12:11:13 PM
But for a good one JAXB (Java API for XML Binding) I am some days around computers too much....

This is hilarious... an acronym which contains within it two other nested acronyms!
60  Hacker Project Café / Game Room / Re: Pattern Battle!!! on: August 19, 2008, 04:37:34 AM
Guess: 30 31 32

If that's not right then perhaps put a few more numbers in?  7

Bingo  12

Congratulations that is exactly the pattern - we used to play this in class in fourth grade or something... thus as I said, a great classic  laugh

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