The Hacker Project - a free online game

As usual SGP does the right thing.  We are disinfecting the revelations virus not them.  Go figure right guys?

Check it out of course they will most likely take the opportunity to hit my server in retaliation as they already have done twice in the past 2 weeks. 

I just noticed the installed Rev myself.  :21:

On a side note... the Revelation count is now correct again... lol.

I suppose that there is some small comfort in that.  :laugh:

No way did they let SOMEBODY ELSE install REV on one of their servers. Just inconceivable. They installed it, but that's not exactly unexpected, is it? Anyway, as long as they format, life will go on ;)

EDIT: This was in response to a post which, sadly, has been deleted. I'll leave it up for posterity :P

could it be it was installed all the way trough but they just used some sort of bug to make it seem like it was not installed?

Heh, yea. I realized that, and took that post down. And what you say is true,  :13:


Edit:
Also... if it is actually SoTL and not an impersonator (not too likely), they could always use the time they have Rev installed to hit drzejb's server that is researching his own version of the Revelation Virus. Since it would seem to me that even having a rogue researcher out there could be... disruptive to everyone's plan.

Part of me really wants to hang on and fight these guys, even though I really lack the tools. Part of me sees the desert which the forums have become and wonder if this is signs of things to come whether a reset is carried out or not. I wonder just how many people already have jumped ship, how many more will do so in the event of a reset, and how many people are secretly hoping a reset will come to pass thinking that it will "fix" everything.

Seems like all these events have accomplished is anger followed by despair. Those few of us still here are really just waiting, aren't we? Some hoping that the older players or Emi will fix it, others hoping that the reset will come and "fix" everything, and others still just wanting something to happen to break the stagnation. I'd be lying if I said that I had not, at one point or another, fallen into each of these categories. I doubt any of us have not ventured into each one at some point. Presently I feel that I fit into the third category and have for a while now.

I keep hitting refresh on the HP forum, waiting for the next post to break the silence. I do this sometimes for hours, just watching people come and go as they do the same thing in their own ways. I'm just looking for clues. Looking, waiting for something to confirm the intentions of those who hold the Revs. In the mean time, I'm carrying on as usual even with despair nipping at the heels of my consciousness, nagging me toward inaction. I often wander off and find other, more useful things to do, but my thoughts are always pondering this game. What will become of it? What will become of this good idea gone sour?

I think you should have a break from this game Exousia. You sound to serius even though i agree with you on some of you points.

The thing is im just not like you, I will fight untill the last sec of this game and i will stay here to see how it become and i will show that SoTL Will LOSE!! I didn't join ARC just because i wanted to be seen, heard or follow the high players. I joined ARC because i belive it makes a difference that i play this game and i belive i can stop SoTL, not alone but together with all of you who still belive in this game.

Therefor if you are bored then smash drzejb, i will take down his defenses every single time he put them back up untill he got no revelation anymore.

After he is gone then help me take one SoTL server down at the time, I can't do it alone but together we can.

Edit:
Quess i said to soon i would keep drzejb protections down he just upgraded them to more then 50 FP and 50 PP.

I'm just being philosophical and over-dramatic (theatre geek!) but you're probably right.  :laugh:

[EDIT ADDENDUM]

You see my point, though? A lot of people are probably well into a sense of despair by now and either going to start trying to speed Revelation Day up or just not try to play at all.

I see you point. I even understand it, atleast i think.

But exousia you have to get a higher income so you can get enough hardware to help before revelation happen!

I don't think we've given up. We're just waiting to be able to do something about it.

Ohh Raistlin you should be able to do more then me shoulden't you? :P if you can crack drzejb then it would make me happy ^^

Nice! Even got Raistlin to respond. It pleases me to hear it guys. SGP, ARC, and even those who have been targets of the first two ready to work together to stop Revelation Day. Think about that.  :7:

Right now, though I've got to go take my wife to lunch!  :16:

have a nice dinner ^^ and its not even sure that Raistlin want to work with me or the others i dont even think that the others will work with Raistlin but i will work anyone who got the idear that SoTL got to go down!

Heh. I'll work towards a common goal, but if I'm working with SGP/ARC, I won't like it. Sorry, guys, but I just don't trust you.

Then work with me.

I'm both new to the game and to ARC and SGP i dont know why the attack you and i havent helped them yet to attack you.

And work with me, Raistlin. I may not have all the hardware or the tools that either of you have, but now that you guys are seeing my true point here, I'm going to come out and say it:

It doesn't matter whether you like/trust SGP and ARC or not, we need everyone to pitch in together on this or my comments of despair and discouragement will come to fruition. Even if we fail, we will be able to say that, for one shining moment we set aside or differences and made a difference in this game.

(I almost want to barf after saying such cheery things, but you get the idea.  :5: )

Alright. I've already put my two cents in, though. We need SoTL and SGP to delete their copies, and we need to somehow destroy the other copies WITHOUT using Rev to do it.

Here's the way I see it going down (at least, the way it COULD go down, and one which actually lets everybody walk away). SGP has deletes running, SoTL has installs and formats, some random schmuck has nothing going.  Ideally, SGP and SoTL will erase their copies, and we'll use malware (logic bombs, perhaps?) to try and keep the other Rev at a low version. Of course, this is counterable, but hey, it's the best I can think of right now.

It's better than nothing, but that means we gotta convince Ebolla to delete. I can understand him/SGP not wanting to give in to terrorist demands, but the only true threat here is that researching copy by drzejb. SoTL and SGP both claim to be willing to delete, but I think we need to be prepared for the possibility that one of them does not. Do we have a Faith capable of killing those 2.452 Revs? Even if they're too high to stop, we should at least start some outside disinfects ASAP.
 
I'd like to see Rio and some of the others in on this too. I'd also like to see at least a temporary armistice with regards to all hostilities not directed at Rev from those who read this so we can get something done about this Rev threat. We can resume snipping at one another after we take care of this problem.

Yeah, there's a 2.5 Faith in existence now. Personally, I've only got a 2.2, but if anybody actually installs a v2.4, I'll definitely upgrade.

I realize there's a chance that somebody won't delete; problem is, I can't plan for that. If that happens, we're already screwed, cause whoever it is WANTS there to be the possibility of Doomsday.

And yeah, I'm willing to promise I won't tag anybody till this all blows over, unless they tag me first, but I'm a lot more amiable than most people on here ;)

I'd love to kill revs, but I don't have good servers.  :10:

I'm behind too, Seb, but we can crack and break defenses and copy/paste logs and anything else we can think of. I'm hoping to have built up one of my servers before too long so it can run the Faith v2.5, but that's going to be a while for me, so that's why I'm saying we should stop attacking one another until this blows over. There are a lot of high power players out there not getting involved because of petty grips form the past who can run Faith v2.5 and those are the ones we most need in on this right now.

If someone would be so kind as to make public a copy of Faith v2.5 the others could download, that might speed things up. I'm sure I could house on one of mine but I definitely couldn't run it.

The only problem is that if we ever have to use the 2.5 Faith, chances are we are screwed anyways. Somewhere they put down how long it would take to disinfect, but the gist of it was that all they have to do is have 10 people willing to do it, and one installs the 2.45, and it all falls down like dominoes.

What we really need to do, is for someone to install drzejbs Rev virus, hopefully stopping him from researching it. And then we can both negate his defences, and anti-virus it. Unless he can stop the activations remotely.

Edit: It may seem contrary, but as long as he cant kill the disinfects or the activation remotely... then it essentially leaves his server open to us. Then, after the disinfect, someone uploads a nice v 5 malware, and we no longer have to worry about that particular server, lol

I could do some scans, if that's useful right now  :confused2:

"Start of Something New" which has a Rev 1.0 housed on it is still under noobie protection. Judging from how slow things are going, there may well be insufficient support to make it happen. We should have an arsenal of Faith v2.5 ready to act when a Rev gets installed. We may just be spinning our wheels if there are actually enough people working on this, but I'd say that it's unlikely that they're collaborating and we're working with a discordant group. Assuming that SoTL and SGP are both true to their word, there really are only two copies out there posing any kind of a threat. I realize that puts a lot of trust in both SoTL and SGP, but it would still take both of them to install their copies to cause Revelation Day. I believe we have a better chance at this than the numbers may say we do.

running a scan on both, it seems like the best I can do.

Everything helps, Seb.

We shouldn't get bogged down by what we can't do, but focus on what we can do.

Okay then, I just thought it was redundant, as almost anyone can scan!  :16:

<shrug> Maybe. Don't know, don't care. As long as we're acting.

Would it be too cliché to shout, "THIS ... IS ... SPARTA!"

Nope. See, a v5 malware takes around 2000 minutes (more than 24 hours) to activate. Even if he only signs on once a day, he can kill it. Also, as soon as he IP changes, the malware is dead, and not doing any more damage.

Actually, as long as there is one copy out there.. there are a possible infinite number available, lol. All it takes is someone to do the same thing SoTL did to get their copies...
Also, as long as it's under noobie protection. It's only threat is that it is a distribution point.

However, if both groups do complete what they said they would.. then the immediate threat of DD would subside quite a bit.  :5:

Exou - lol, it wouldn't be cliche... but it would be very.... internet craze appropriate?


EDIT: Ah, well then at least it removes him from researching the Rev virus, for now

I'll have the scans in an hour..
Why do I feel the ARC are suddenly powerless? I really need reassurance they're doing all they can, I feel like they're the revelation police for some reason...
I mean.. that's why they were created, right?

Yes, ARC was created to curtail Revelation, but it is also a stand-alone group which is still building its power base. Use or even ownership of Revelation is strictly forbidden. Some members are pretty strong now, however, but I personally feel that it is not sufficient to have ARC or SGP doing this for us. The only way to effect real change in this game is to unite as a community and strike at the common enemy. Win or lose, we will demonstrate that we cannot be bullied, manipulated, or ignored.

Except by Emi on a regular basis ;)

I currently have the power on my server to disinfect all the revelations in existence simultaneously.... as of about 12 min ago..... so, as soon as i have the AP for it i will start helping to counter the servers.... but this still aint looking good.

Unfortunately, I must agree with your assessment, Rio. However, we can sit and cry about it or we can act. If nothing else, this will call someone's bluff and make it less likely that a reset will occur simply because bystanders gave up and decided not to fight it, but to encourage it. It will make our last few moments much more interesting at the very least.  :5:

Forgive the double post, but I forgot to add: Thank you for your support, Rio.

That is true.

Here are the results:
here's The Start of something new.
IP [NotonForums!] scan completed...

 Scanning for active firewall version... No firewall protection!

 Scanning for active passwd protection version... No password protection!

 Scanning for highest version software... Detected Stolen Revelation Virus V 1 as highest version file...

 Scanning hardware... Detected 550 Mhz CPU core, 32768 kb Memory, 200 Gb hard drives, 5 kbs Bandwidth.

and Drzejb.
IP [NotonForums!] scan completed...

 Scanning for active firewall version... No firewall protection!

 Scanning for active passwd protection version... No password protection!

 Scanning for highest version software... Detected DB FireWall Protect 49.054 V 49.054 as highest version file...

 Scanning hardware... Detected 60550 Mhz CPU core, 3719168 kb Memory, 50 Gb hard drives, 600 kbs Bandwidth.

Seems like as of current, the start of something new is only for holding, but the Drzejb server is apparently an active threat.
It also seems TSoSN is without protection, which will make it easier for us, but Drzejb has a power FW prot. with V49, he'll be impossible for newbies to crack, but SGP and ARC should have no problem.
I say, as of current, Drzejb is the most troublesome, but long term, I'd bet that TSoSN will be a major problem.

Drzejb has something to lose, or he wouldn't be trying to protect it. He may be trying to beef up the Revelation version to make sure that there's always an impossible-to-stop version out there which is purchasable

Which falls back on my question of... if we installed it could he stop the installation? And if not.. should we do that and disinfect it? Therefore removing his research and possible threat for.. a bit

Only one way to find out!

lol, true. but I believe we should let someone that can catch bullets pretty well do it.. just in case there are... unintended consequences...  :laugh:

EDIT: On a side note... who's server is " Bag of poo " ? Since they have apparently bought themselves a rev virus, lol. Of course they say they won't use it on their server... but who can really trust anyone nowadays

Alright, I'm trying to install it. Wish me luck; if it installs, I'll use it to blast the server it's on ;)

That has epic potential. We got a Faith lined up to clear up the mess afterward?

Faith Anti-Virus Stolen Faith Anti-Virus [AV] 100000 2.5 500.00 Gb

Okay, that makes distribution a bit easier. Now I just need a 500 Gig machine and 100k HPD.  :5:

Relax, drzjeb's is <.2; I can take care of that one no problem :)  I hope it doesn't allow cancelling though. . . :(

heh, if this works.. it will be pretty awesome, lol

Heres to hoping,  :5:

EDIT: You don't have to buy it. You can DL it from the SGP Free Repo, lol. Thats what I did... or will do when I got the extra HD just begging to be used up

1> Faith has been available to the public since before SoTL's first post.  It is on the Free Repo.
2> Riolic the best way you can help is to get rid of your copies.
3> Exousia you need to read the dang group forums.  You are saying many MANY things that We should be doing that are already posted there.
4> Installing Rev can not be killed.  Not even by local host of the server it is installing on.  The only one who can kill it is the person who is installing it (This is information that has already been given out)
5> Raistlin.   It is your choice if you wish to join the fight or not.  All I can say is that SGP does not have any installations going currently and all copies of Revelations we have are being deleted and/or formatted.
6> With regards to the Revelations copy on my main server.  I am working at moving all of my files from it to a new main server at which point all will be able to log in and verify the fact it is currently in the deletion process.

So if you guys knew this... why was there such a commotion about drzejb researching Revelation? Even if it may not have been you particularly.. since you are so adamantly against Rev, why had this not been brought up?

It's a large program, so some might want to purchase it to speed things along. BW on the Repo is sometimes congested with requests. High traffic may be generated by the need to attack Rev installs. I was merely proposing purchasing it as an alternative, should the need arise. I realize it's a big repo, but not everyone's going to be downloading Faith so, even if it's pretty clear now, that could very well change. I was merely covering all our bases and accounting for alternate contingencies.


I'm not convinced that any of the copies are his. If they are, all he has to do is press "task complete" and the problem is solved. I'm sure he would like to see SGP taken down a peg but I doubt that Riolic wants to waste all the time and effort he's already spent and toss away his income in a reset. I believe he would find much more satisfaction in performing direct attacks rather than using underhanded tactics which punish everyone.


Forgive me for thinking that this is a community problem, not just an SGP/ARC problem. Not everyone reads the group forums regularly either. It's been very quiet there. I understand the need to do as we set out to do and attack Revelation, but why not enlist those who are willing? Am I wrong to think that a strong community action is required to fight this and other problems we're facing right now?


All the easier if we choose to force an install just so we can disinfect it and stop the research on it.


Then we have our answer from SGP, now we need SoTL to hold up it's end and start disarming so we know that their intentions are honorable as well. I've seen their format tasks with my own eyes but I've also seen the install tasks. At this time, they could go either way.

Whatever Raistlin's ill feelings toward SGP, I believe he is willing to set them aside for these reasons. He has as much to lose as any of the rest of us.


Good to know. I never doubted it, but you can understand if I did not wish to stir the anti-SGP sentiment by insisting that it was a given and defeat/reduce any potential cooperation by breaking it apart with pettiness.


Make no mistake people, I am a member of ARC and and the FU, and I trust SGP, but I also understand the enmity that some bear toward SGP and maintain that these barriers to cooperation must be set aside for the time being if anything is to be accomplished here. I do not believe that I have done anything wrong or inconsistent with SGP, ARC, or the FU.

Ah ha, so someone actually dose get it!!!!

Player is also in the process of uploading a v100.678 pw protect. It is not installed as of this moment.
Also the player behind that server is doing at least two IP & PW resets a day.
I'm currently not capable of bypassing the log deleter used by the player running the server so I can't track the uploads (seems the player is attempting to keep his BW clogged) to cancel them.

O....rly? :13:

Bad news; Emi must've changed the rules on Rev since you checked, V-man.

Remotehost: Interrupted, activate virii file #263762 Revelation Virus V 0.148  [Kernel]

drzjeb interrupted my install of Rev on his server, it seems.

hmm we really need to bomb him hard.

Too bad there's not much we can do to stop it besides trust SGP and SoTL. SGP realized the concept of an unstoppable reset, and SoTL made public the proof of concept. This all rests on their actions over the next couple days.

Of course, there's always the chance that even if SoTL tries to cause Revelation, it doesn't have the manpower to do it.

As it is current then it does not seems like they do.

They even installed a revelation on a Secret server which i think is wierd.

I belive that SGP does disinfect thier revelations, but its much harder for me to belive that SoTL will.

I'm not sure if that was them, considering 4 of the servers are clearly marked with the same name and description. As for the disinfects, if SoTL doesn't remove the active ones, SGP is already working on removing it for them.

P.S.-Stop trying to download from my farm, you're not going to get it.

I know it was SoTL who installed it i followed the bounce because they didnt even delete the logs.

Ohh its your server A doo doo ? ^^ well look at it this way if i dont get it ill just disinfect it :P

 I'm working on deleting another instance of the Rev. on a TL server. Man these things are huge. 333 hours to kill one off, yikes.

yeah that means he got to be offline for another 300 hours ^^

 Yeah, and I could spend that time brushing up on my horrible English translations. Either you people want help or you don't. I get paid either way.

ohh we do want help all the help we can get. The thing just is its nearly impossible for us to get rid of them if they are not installed and if they are online.

 I'll have to run an Ident on the space hog that's on here. It's the only thing preventing installation I think. Although I think this popped up just recently, because I've been to this one before and it wasn't there. The space hog might just be there as a temporary cork, disinfect- then install. Could be a setup to get others to do it. Either way, if someone disinfects, theyll have roughly 280 hours to install it.

the best way to get rid of a Revelation is to get it installed.

I think that this can be achieved at any time by doing an IP change.
Which I believe is something that hasn't been tested

Oh yeah, that's a real appropriate threat to make. What have others told you about not poking bears?

Lol let him waste his time and AP on that disinfect instead of being smart and using it wisely.

I'd rather have him waste AP on killing the download processes. No loss for me.

As for the IP change, that's an interesting point, that hasn't been tested at all. I don't think that's the case though, disinfects don't disappear after an IP change, so neither should activations.

well i still got 3000 AP left no problem for me ^^

Yes, revenge and humiliation are much more satisfying when done with one's own hands. That I understand all too well.

If the rules are changing, that throws a lot of things out the window. Let's not get discouraged by that.

Are we running VIs on the installed revelation so we can take a shot at uncovering useful IPs?

And poking bears is a good way to get eaten.

I poke to any bear i find and haven't been eaten yet! ^^

Dangit!
it's installed...................see?
 27.56.188.110 SoTL 1 Yes <---  :dead:
also.
Bag of poo
wtf?
Description on SoSN:
Currently Waiting Server Farm Income. This server will be installing revelation v 1.0 in under a week. Mark my words SGP. RESET
oOoOoOoOh! 2 revelation virii! Oh nooooo!  :laugh:

update:
IP [SoSN] scan completed...

 Scanning for active firewall version... No firewall protection!

 Scanning for active passwd protection version... No password protection!

 Scanning for highest version software... Detected Stolen Revelation Virus V 1 as highest version file...

 Scanning hardware... Detected 550 Mhz CPU core, 32768 kb Memory, 200 Gb hard drives, 5 kbs Bandwidth.

IP [Drzejb] scan completed...

 Scanning for active firewall version... Firewall version higher than scanner!

 Scanning for active passwd protection version... Passwd protect version higher than scanner!

 Scanning for highest version software... Detected DB FireWall Protect 49.054 V 49.054 as highest version file...

 Scanning hardware... Detected 71958 Mhz CPU core, 4420172 kb Memory, 44.6665 Gb hard drives, 580.666 kbs Bandwidth.

Yay, looks like Drzejb just got bombed.

Malware BOMB function in progress...
 Starting Revelation remote overload on drzejb...
 All hardware on the remote system was damaged in the overload.
 The remote system lost 1,672 Mhz CPU!
 The remote system lost 102,691 kb memory!
 The remote system lost 13.49 kbs bandwidth!
 The remote system lost 1.04 Gb HDD!


Malware BOMB function in progress...
 Starting Revelation remote overload on drzejb...
 All hardware on the remote system was damaged in the overload.
 The remote system lost 6,857 Mhz CPU!
 The remote system lost 421,220 kb memory!
 The remote system lost 55.33 kbs bandwidth!
 The remote system lost 4.26 Gb HDD!

So SOTL can do something good...

Good to know they aren't completely jerks.

Sweet... it may not stop him for long, but if nothing else it's an annoyance.  :laugh:

Do you actually have any idea what you're talking about?

I do.

They install revelation and gather as meny they can and they haven't done anything too prove they are the good guys. Actualy they only done bad as far expect from this

Drat. SoTL hit drzejb just a moment to soon.
This morning my upload of a V1 malware bomb had room. This afternoon I tried to complete the upload and got the no room message (and while I was trying to make room the PW got reset)

Do you really think they arent capable of getting more Rev servers? They just attacked a person who had the Rev virus but who didnt make any excuses for having it.

Seems good to me. Im against anyone who has a Rev virus so dont think Im a fan of SoTL lol.

Also, they're not SGP. That's a point in their favor as far as I'm concerned.

Least it doesn't seem like they're trying to cause a reset. Looks like some else is though.

I had a conversation with drzejb earlier.
Apperently He does not read then forums (Big Suprise), He downloaded Revelation because he saw several servers had it. And he does not know what revelation does, and wants to check it out.
Or in his words:

Conclusion: He is really Polish and does not read the forums.

Well, let him know that deleting it would be a good move. And that researching it was a REALLY bad one.

I did explain Revelation and DD. He replied by asking where it is written...

He sees others with revelation under the Revelation Day tab, but does not read the text above it :S

d**n those polish *raises fist*

Ok, drzejb messaged me, telling he read the Guide about Revelation and he started a disk format to remove it.

Anyone who can access his server to verify this?

I'll check it for you.... hour long crack so i'll edit this post when i know

Update: Format HDD [localhost], 17h 29m 6s -- He is indeed formatting.

Okay-then
One server down, one to go.

That's one less problem.  :clapping:

Yeah, all we need is someone to destroy this actually MALEVOLENT server  :)


:Setai checks over many websites for days, gets a plane ticket, flies to the owner of the SoSN gateway, drives to the house/apartment, picklocks the door, knocks the owner out, and shoots the computer into oblivion.
 :13:

SoSN could well belong to whomever's behind the Hidden Zombie Tech mask.  :shifty:

It's funny, but I never even considered that that might NOT be the case. :P

lol But who's behind SoTL? SoTL and HZT are both just masks, but who's behind it? And is it the same person?

  After spending a few days poking around here and there, and monitoring a Rev .1 that someone seems to want there, I've come to the conclusion that the people responsible ARE high ranked people, but using alternate accounts. Some of the old styles I used to see are prevelant on some low ranking servers, and there is definate cooperation between them. They seem excessively adept at timing, and making sure that the host systems have no logs prior to public release.
  I do however, think that they aren't as dedicated to a reset as others outside of their control are. I think someone(s) outside the group is trying to force their hand, which has delayed progress. You won't find any evidence up near the top of the rankings-It's all on alternate accounts.
  As far as forum accounts go, don't believe anything you can't see in-game. It's all heresay here, and some people have a handful of forum accounts. Keep in mind however, that a forum account could be created to bait your enemy into an awkward position, to give away information under false pretenses.

 Enough from me and my two cents, back to hittin' the streams.

His servers are named: m1sf17's Dedicated Server

I withdraw this statment.
Go m1!

There!
Good luck M1s.

McCarthyism is the word of the day.

No, I'm seriously saying good luck. Happy hacking, nice proccessing.

QFT

Also remember that Gold accounts can rename their servers and sometimes do to misrepresent themselves or implicate others.

Hacking and war require the use of the tools of misdirection.

wow you were in my server? and 2 others were aswell? and theres NO damage?
wow you rather talking bullnuts or whoever was "attacking" me is thick in the head.

oh then? you call 2 0.1 adwares and 0.5 hide damage? for 2 people its still sucky

My only point, Hidden Zombie Tech, was that it's difficult to really pin the blame on people. Any discussion here, on the forums, is mere speculation. Even the presentation of logs here can be constructed or manipulated to prove one's own point. Therefore, we can't go rushing to pin blame on people.

And, just because someone's IP was on the logs of another server, it doesn't prove that they were an attacker, just that they were there.

It's just as misguided to blame you for the server "Start of Something New" as it is to blame myself for it. The possibility exists, but that alone does not make it so.

See: McCarthyism.

Confession? Sarcasm?

lol, who knows. But anything is possible, and is probably closer to the mark than we realize,  :5:

Wait one second here.
You have multiple personalities?
all jokes aside,  :) how can you be m1 if he's talking to you?
I'm confused.  :13:
I do express my apologies for framing you. I am a bit jumpy with all this rev stuff..
I think now that we've eliminated (although, with hacking, you can never be to sure. dun duun DUN!) two 'potential' suspects, we'll have to continue the search until we can get some evidence.

It's not that hard to lie,  :13:
But it's just as equally "hard" to let a little truth slip through. Sometimes the truth can be just as destructive as a carefully planned lie..

On a seperate note... does anyone know how much longer SGP's Revs and SoTL's Revs have until they are done reformatting or deleting them?

EDIT: Just read HJ's post. But what are the delete times or reformat times on the servers with the installs?

Yeah, I'm still worried about someone lying, but at least SoTL has decided to stop.

aw crap. ZT does want to kill us.

on a different note, who logged into my server, covered their tracks and is waiting for me to log out? its a shame you wont get to damage me.

and seb, if he does, theres probably no doubt that he wont be forgiven next round

Heheh, do I hear a 30-60v10 all on the revelation users?

why doesnt some rich dude like go CRAZY and buy loads and loads of wizard hacker ips, theres no way 10 people with multiple servers can not be untouched by a guy with enough money

yeah, but there are many wizard hackers out there, Nearly a hundred. There's a low chance now that the IP thing let's you get hackers you already know.

I'll believe it when it happens.  :16:

At least you're not claiming any just or noble purpose, just stating outright that you are going to punish us all for SGP's alleged crimes. Gotta give you that.

SGP hasn't really commited any crimes.  :bodyguard:

Interesting Facts:

Buy Server	20,000
9450 CPU	28,350
198 HD	59,400
190 MEM	28,500
3995 BAND	1,198,500
Stolen v1 Rev	37,500
Total	1,372,250

Estimated time to install:
409,600s = 4d17h46m40s
9 Non-overlapping 6h intervals = 2d6h

Total time once servers are ready for revelation to be implemented:
6d 23h 46m 40s

Not even waiting for Thanksgiving... wow.  :laugh:

oh great, now we have to somehow kill the servers doing this in 9 days, or we lose all of our progress.

like i said, wizard hacker.

Do we already have someone disinfecting that installed Revelation on that SoTL server?

I have no idea. I would hope so, lol.
As for waiting for Thanksgiving, we might still make it. Seeing as they obviously don't have the money yet or they would have started already.

On a good side note, drrzejb took down his rev,  :13:

Lol, now there are 2 sources blowing smoke out of their asses?

Please, end the d**n game already, it's getting boring!

HJ, are you Anti-Faith now?

wait, we can say asses and not d**n?
 :confused2:
seriously though,
Hatejacket, you should go on a killing spree with them!

I'm neutral. Come on, attack me for it. I dare you.

Seriously, I've been waiting for a reset for nearly 2 months, but instead I've chosen to listen to the majority, the public, and not install Revelations for the purpose of a reset.

You won't see me disinfecting any Revelations, though. Keep in mind I researched the 2.5 Faith from 0.1 for public use.

Crap, I have a very bad feeling we're going to get reset soon.
 :10:

While I disagree with Hatejacket, I completely understand his point. All this fighting against reset does seem at times be pointless. Time spent fighting it could be time spent rebuilding after a reset. The research update's put a crimp in a lot of research progress and things seem to be slowing down here. Once again, I'd be lying if I didn't think along these lines sometimes.

The point to fighting, the point to continuing to delay a reset even when it seems inevitable is to (1) keep things interesting even in these final moments, (2) learn better how Revelation works, (3) not let ourselves be bullied by anyone, and (4) "Do not go gentle into that good night. Rage, rage against the dying of the light."  :5:

RAAAAAAAAAAGE!!!!!!!
I like the light.
sometimes...
I will not let the internet die!
That's an act of heresy!
HERESY I TELL YOU!!!

No one's proven that they are actually capable of carrying out the threat either. We don't know that a reset is coming, we can only believe that it is coming and fear it. That fear alone is causing some to give up and to even invite it.

This is a game, though, and a reset would not be the end of the world. :19: I still maintain that it will not be the universal cure that some think it will be.

With HZT, we probably won't know how serious he is for another three days or so. I believe his time table had his installs starting on the 5th. If he actually is capable of pulling together the ten installs at six hour intervals as he claims he can, it will be quite the impressive feat, but until then we can only wait and plan our counter attack.

From the SoTL servers.

We have waited and planned and built our strength for fifteen thousand years. We have evolved. We can wait a little longer.

Looks like SoTL is taking a break for now...

SoTL  :14:

15,000 years?

Yeah, I thought, at first, that it was a reference to the battle between the Jedi and the Sith, but I'm not enough of a Star Wars fan to know enough about the story line to know for sure. I'm not really any kind of fan of Star Wars, but I had enough cousins and friends foaming at the mouth over it's "epic" tale to have a decent idea of the basic story.

eh, regardless of any jokes.
I hope the revelation doesn't come.  :14:

not yet, i want it to come some time, this game wont be much fun infinitely, but its better in 6 month-yearly periods. im not pro rev as such just yet.

Next round I think I'll work on 'cutting down the vines'
I'll claw my way to the top!
 :laugh:
or maybe not, I have sucky tactics. I would probably screw myself over when people would figure out I was the one who put spyware on every public server.  :laugh: :laugh:
(next round.)

I don't feel that rounds of this game should be that short, especially with the recent research update. I also stick to the assertion that we need one server which is persistent and at one which is not. (More than one of each would be nice too.) Especially in the persistent version, there should be an option to delete an account as I can see veterans in that game wanting to wipe the slate clean and start over just for fun. This wouldn't be a bad idea in a persistent game and, in a persistent game, there should be a feature which automatically deletes inactive accounts after a time. I think that there already is such a feature, but I'm not entirely certain how long the delay is or other details. A round-based game should have faster/easier research and last about eight to twelve months.

As I feel that people have different styles of play and different requirements of games, a round-based version should also be geared more toward a competitive PvP style of play while a persistent one should be geared toward a slower, more gradual development with advantages going toward defensive or solo play with way more and much better defended NPC servers.

I tend to enjoy defensive/solo play but that's just me. I'm not a competitive person.

Nonetheless, there are many features of this game which set it apart and make it stand out, even if several aspects are nerfed such as the ability to engage in PvP. It is, overall, well thought out, but it seems that there is some uncertainty as to the game's direction and those who want to engage in PvP or competitive play aren't getting what they want. I enjoy analyzing it, though, and will continue to play even if it resets, but I prefer not to lose what I've already gained.

That'd lead to problems as people's virii on inactive servers become invincible or disabled.

That can be fixed. I know the concept isn't perfect, but there must exist a table pointing to all of those virii which can then be either cut loose and thereby made available for VB. And when virii are "lost" when an inactive account's servers are closed, they be treated as an IP change, which already checks for such errors (I should hope) and then deleted instead. Granted, it's not perfect.

Another idea is that (those who play Astro Empires will recognize this) an inactive account's servers could be handed over to a dummy NPC and allowed to fester idly or be gradually phased out. Deleted accounts could do the same thing.

In either case, a forced IP change could proceed any action including deletion to clear up any installed virii.

I still think inactive servers are important for newbies, most of my long-term (old) adware exist on inactive servers.

So do mine, but in an persistent game, there would have to be a hardware limit, otherwise we'd be cluttered at some point. The gradual fade (or NPC takeover) idea borrowed from Astro Empires, which is a persistent game, could theoretically solve the issue of lost or invincible virii.