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HP Info Terminal => F.A.Q. => Topic started by: Araeus on November 11, 2008, 05:44:25 PM



Title: End of Round question
Post by: Araeus on November 11, 2008, 05:44:25 PM
So, I know that everyone's gold status is going to carry over to the next round, but what about the bonus HPD we got at sign-up?  This seems to put older gold members at a disadvantage, as anyone who signs up for gold in the next round will get that bonus HPD making them automatically stronger than an old gold member (assuming right at the start someone signs up for gold).  I don't care if they are "less experienced" that will not balance it out, and gold membership is no measure of a person's experience in the game.

So how is that going to work out, are all current gold members going to start out with extra HPD at the beginning of the round?  The higher AP limit, as well, is not going to help at the start of the new round either... we will all be hard-pressed to spend AP.

Just wondering, with the end coming closer and closer.


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Seb on November 11, 2008, 07:45:23 PM
I was also aware of this, I wonder why I didn't ask.
Same question SirEmi!


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Exousia on November 11, 2008, 08:29:21 PM
Granted I'm not Emi, but I believe from what I understood the specs to be saying is that the HPD would not be carried over but the AP cap would along with the secure FTP server. I may be wrong about the HPD and I sincerely hope that I am and that Gold members would receive an HPD boost to move them along as one of the perks. This will make the sting of a reset much less bitter to my pallet, but it would also make it more likely that Gold members will bring about a reset merely for the cash reward as they will stand to lose less in the reset. They'd still lose a considerable amount no doubt, but they'd have a leg up compared to everyone else. AP would be much less important in the beginning of the game as there would be few, if any, tasks which would gobble up a significant quantity of it. It could be argued that it would limit delete missions, but with how many people will be doing them, I find that an unlikely limiting factor.


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: gs 059 on November 11, 2008, 09:05:21 PM
I wish that everything I put in my secure ftp comes with me in the new round.....

also, deleting files does not take up ap.... so having 2k more ap than someone else would only mean that you can crack more servers, and since in the beginning thre are only like 20 or so servers you can crack, that extra 2k does not help any at all.


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Sin15698 on November 11, 2008, 09:15:34 PM
Okay, I've played other games of his and this is how it works:

The amount you get for upgrading or donating increases as the overall or average power of players increases.
Since it would be a new round the average power will be very low so you will get alot less for upgrading or donating.
Near the end of the round the average is much higher so you get alot more.

The bonus is not reacurring as I understand it so you wouldn't get money at the start of the round.

On a slightly different note, if this game becomes as popular as spaceo he might make a Hacker-project wars sever :16: [which would have no rounds]


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Exousia on November 11, 2008, 11:09:43 PM
 :14:

I'll skip over the patronizing parts and ask: What exactly are the criteria for a wars server?


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Sin15698 on November 11, 2008, 11:14:20 PM
Well his wars sever dosen't have rounds but it has a few changes to make it move along slower. Other than that it is pretty much the exact same game.


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Exousia on November 11, 2008, 11:18:05 PM
Well his wars sever dosen't have rounds but it has a few changes to make it move along slower. Other than that it is pretty much the exact same game.

Very nice. It's what I've been hoping for personally. I think I mentioned it in other threads but people were too busy trying to bully Emi rather than appeal to him. You're probably reading my other post in the General area by now, but what I said there stands: I'd like to explore this possibility more.


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Araeus on November 11, 2008, 11:27:05 PM
Okay, I've played other games of his and this is how it works:

The amount you get for upgrading or donating increases as the overall or average power of players increases.
Since it would be a new round the average power will be very low so you will get alot less for upgrading or donating.
Near the end of the round the average is much higher so you get alot more.

The bonus is not reacurring as I understand it so you wouldn't get money at the start of the round.

On a slightly different note, if this game becomes as popular as spaceo he might make a Hacker-project wars sever :16: [which would have no rounds]

The problem is, someone who gets gold at the beginning of the next round would still receive some sort of HPD bonus, which is better than nothing.  When I got my gold the HPD payout was like... 500 HPD per dollar donated.  I am not complaining about this increase because at the time I started people were ecstatic to find .62 secret servers because that made you essentially unhackable to all except top 10.  Obviously, power has come up a lot since then.  Still, that however much bonus HPD with the gold donation would be extremely useful at the start of the round.  If gold members receive no benefits at the start of a new round other than increased AP cap (useless) or gold FTP (which will be amazing as files will be a lot smaller with all the changes, but still) then I see that as a bit of a slight.


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Exousia on November 11, 2008, 11:31:32 PM
I'm 99.99% sure Emi explicitly states that the Gold FTP server is something you keep and I'm almost as certain that the AP cap is as well. The only debate in my mind is the HPD bonus, which isn't mentioned anywhere as far as I can remember. I guess it's time to hit the books.  :19:


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Sin15698 on November 11, 2008, 11:48:36 PM
I don't know about the FTP but you do keep turns and 20 node connections.

Okay, I've played other games of his and this is how it works:

The amount you get for upgrading or donating increases as the overall or average power of players increases.
Since it would be a new round the average power will be very low so you will get alot less for upgrading or donating.
Near the end of the round the average is much higher so you get alot more.

The bonus is not reacurring as I understand it so you wouldn't get money at the start of the round.

On a slightly different note, if this game becomes as popular as spaceo he might make a Hacker-project wars sever :16: [which would have no rounds]

The problem is, someone who gets gold at the beginning of the next round would still receive some sort of HPD bonus, which is better than nothing.  When I got my gold the HPD payout was like... 500 HPD per dollar donated.  I am not complaining about this increase because at the time I started people were ecstatic to find .62 secret servers because that made you essentially unhackable to all except top 10.  Obviously, power has come up a lot since then.  Still, that however much bonus HPD with the gold donation would be extremely useful at the start of the round.  If gold members receive no benefits at the start of a new round other than increased AP cap (useless) or gold FTP (which will be amazing as files will be a lot smaller with all the changes, but still) then I see that as a bit of a slight.

Yes but if you ran a game and someone paid you $20 I think they should get some what of a step-up. The amount though is disputable.


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Thek3mp on November 12, 2008, 01:10:14 AM
everything is kept apart from the hpd, its non recurring. just like your membership, if you want the hpd, subscribe for another year


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Exousia on November 12, 2008, 01:19:37 AM
Thank you for reiterating what I said.  :16:


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Araeus on November 12, 2008, 02:55:01 AM
everything is kept apart from the hpd, its non recurring. just like your membership, if you want the hpd, subscribe for another year

That is what I am assuming, and what I think should happen is slightly different.

"everything is kept apart from the hpd, its non recurring. just like your membership, if you want the hpd, subscribe for another year because those people who sign up at the beginning of the next round will be getting HPD, so you should get some too so as not to "penalize" those who bought their gold memberships in this round before the game became round based


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Exousia on November 12, 2008, 03:07:38 AM
I would think that to be much more equitable, even if it is at a deflated rate.


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Rogue on November 12, 2008, 12:23:44 PM
So, what you are saying is, even though the Revelation day states "You will not lose your account status / user, only the resources are reset."
That our money goes as well?


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Thek3mp on November 12, 2008, 12:55:08 PM
money and software disapears, yes


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Rogue on November 12, 2008, 01:02:35 PM
wow, that sucks.
So, if I was to upgraded to gold (with REAL life frikken money) and it all goes bye bye?

yeah, i'm gonna wait until this whole reset happens.

Now I understand what all the bishin is about.


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Araeus on November 12, 2008, 01:40:39 PM
It will be as if you just signed up.

You will still have your gold status, which gives you your gold FTP, 5000 AP max, and your discounts on research and hardware (and hopefully a little extra HPD, but I'm not holding my breath)

Other than that, all of your current HPD and softwares will go bye-bye.


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: termul on November 29, 2008, 04:06:26 PM
Will this reset be completed instantly when the timer hits 0 ? Can we start from scratch immediately after D-day ?


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Exousia on November 29, 2008, 04:14:12 PM
Will this reset be completed instantly when the timer hits 0 ? Can we start from scratch immediately after D-day ?

I was just wondering that myself.  :13: I believe it should be pretty instantaneous since we're not losing our accounts, just hardware, software, etc. Since we've never had a reset before, only Sir Emi knows for certain, though.


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Ginjitsu on November 29, 2008, 05:37:46 PM
Well my guess would be there would be a certain amount of downtime to clean everyone out to base stats as well as implement any updates that are to take place in round 2.


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Exousia on November 29, 2008, 05:38:35 PM
Of course, but it won't be down for a week or something to do that, an hour or two maybe, though.


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: siremi on November 29, 2008, 06:50:09 PM
Ok, here is how it works:

If you have Gold status, you can see in your account room, you still have the remaining Gold in the next rounds to come.
If you have 20 GB FTP or more, you have the same available space for the next rounds to come.

Exchange rate is reset to about 100 HPD for $1 for the new round. Vote bonus is also reset, 10 HPD for a vote.

Everything, software, backup software, HPD gets reset. Every IP gets reset. Every public IP gets reset.
You start with your gateway and two servers in your IP Db, one public, one secret each with version 0.1

Then we are free to start and improve the game with the new updates. If we don't reset everything, then the high end stuff that was created while in the beta round would carry on in the next round, and the reset would be pointless for the progress of the game.



Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Sin15698 on November 29, 2008, 06:58:01 PM
Everything, software, backup software, HPD gets reset. Every IP gets reset. Every public IP gets reset.
You start with your gateway and two servers in your IP Db, one public, one secret each with version 0.1

Was this the same last round? cause I started off with all of the publics and 1 secret from every company.....


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Exousia on November 29, 2008, 07:05:13 PM
Everything, software, backup software, HPD gets reset. Every IP gets reset. Every public IP gets reset.
You start with your gateway and two servers in your IP Db, one public, one secret each with version 0.1

Was this the same last round? cause I started off with all of the publics and 1 secret from every company.....

I started out with a lot more than that three months ago, so I'd say no, it's not the same.


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: siremi on November 29, 2008, 07:05:33 PM
Everything, software, backup software, HPD gets reset. Every IP gets reset. Every public IP gets reset.
You start with your gateway and two servers in your IP Db, one public, one secret each with version 0.1

Was this the same last round? cause I started off with all of the publics and 1 secret from every company.....

There was no last round  :laugh: You are correct, you started with about 20 servers in the db, however I think only 2 servers, the TR #1 and a secret are ok to start and find everything from the missions in there.

This is also to put all you virtual hackers in one place and start some hack wars and some nice PvP  :laugh:


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: siremi on November 29, 2008, 07:28:39 PM
$10 says I can have all 200 servers within...30 minutes.

You're on  :laugh:


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Seb on November 29, 2008, 07:30:56 PM
SirEmi, I think that all the old golds need the bonus at the start, so new golds can't cash in at the VERY beginning and have a huge advantage.
You should also lover the gold bonus, becasue it seems the value of the HPD will rise sharply next round.


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Araeus on November 29, 2008, 08:23:16 PM
He already said that it's going back to 100 HPD per dollar, but yes I think that we should start off with a little in the bank to compensate.


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: HJ® on November 29, 2008, 08:26:49 PM
yeah, gold users should get their one time bonus again :P


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Araeus on November 29, 2008, 08:29:53 PM
Heh, well I mean it's a whole new round.  Like I said before, this puts the people who buy their gold at the beginning of next round ahead of the people who already bought their gold in this round.


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Seb on November 29, 2008, 08:55:03 PM
wow, 15-14 minutes until official reset, that means 25-35 until the new round!


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Seb on November 29, 2008, 09:54:13 PM
heheh, I've only cracked one open, every time I started a new crack, it knocked off the old one. >>


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: siremi on November 29, 2008, 09:55:13 PM
Alright fine, I won't find 'em all because they don't exist.
Only 10 secrets right now. >.<

Only found 10? lol, there should be 4 for each corp to start with :) Keep looking  :laugh:

Do missions and all shall be revealed  :)


Title: Re: End of Round question
Post by: Seb on November 29, 2008, 10:01:33 PM
Are the 'public' servers really that public anymore?