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Title: Groups Project update Post by: siremi on May 16, 2009, 09:26:42 PM HP will be updated with the Groups Project.
Please check the following list for info on this big and great update: - Groups -> create new group: 2500 HPD -> ingame board, with announcements, discussion for group members -> group website link -> group description, announcements -> ticker group name to be added whenever the player name is used, it will appear as: [GRP] Player -> Leader kicks, manages group server, group finances -> leader can be changed from leader options. Only the leader can assign a new leader. - Group members area -> default group size is 6 members. For each additional member, group HPD fund is used to increase group size. -> 200k, 400k, 800k, etc. -> increase max members limit does not expire with new rounds -> member activity tracker in members area, show last active time of the member. Good for keeping tabs on who is active. -> you can see players requesting to join and leader can accept / decline them - Group Finances -> group HPD fund, all group members can transfer to HPD fund -> group HPD fund finance log, see who transferred how much -> leader can use HPD fund only for group actions (can not extract from group fund) -> all group members can transfer to the group fund, but funds can only be used for group purpose -> finance logs, showing how the funds are used -> a money virii installed on a GS will leak HPD from group fund - Group Servers -> has to be purchased by group leader from group HPD fund -> cost is 2 mil, 4 mil, 8 mil etc -> group server can be upgraded by leader, shows in hardware upgrade -> description can be edited if leader is Gold, from Gold options -> leader with Gold can upload files from Group server to Secure FTP -> leader with Gold can download files from Secure FTP to Group server -> Change IP costs 25k HPD, instant change -> Change Pass costs 2500 HPD, instant change Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: virus man on May 16, 2009, 09:38:50 PM Looks good. Only question I have is group faction affiliation. I hope that there is but I understand that abilities etc could be a problem.
Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: siremi on May 16, 2009, 09:42:05 PM Looks good. Only question I have is group faction affiliation. I hope that there is but I understand that abilities etc could be a problem. Maybe later. We just wanted to implement basic group functionality for now. It does look awesome though :) Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Triadian on May 16, 2009, 09:55:14 PM what happens if the leader goes AFK for a while - can the members gain control of the group after X days AWOL ?
Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: siremi on May 16, 2009, 10:09:21 PM what happens if the leader goes AFK for a while - can the members gain control of the group after X days AWOL ? Not at this time, and there are assets involved, group servers, group fund etc. I'm hoping to put in group ranks until then, so they can assign members that have the same power as the leader. This means while they have the same power they can't kick each other out, since they have the same rights. Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: DamascuS on May 16, 2009, 10:30:14 PM Wow those prices are a little steep, 200k just to add 1 extra member?
Couple of questions: 1. What effect does it have on your power when you transfer HPD to the group fund? 2. Does software/funds etc on the group server/in the group fund contribute to power? 3. Can I join the admin group? :laugh:(joke) Looking good from what i've seen, you've done a good job there titam :) Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: siremi on May 16, 2009, 10:47:40 PM Wow those prices are a little steep, 200k just to add 1 extra member? It doubles for each new extra member above 6, but remember that it does not reset with new rounds, so you can use income from previous rounds to increase your member capacity. The effect of transferring HPD into the group fund is that you no longer hold that HPD. The result is a decrease of your power, a trade off for helping the group. The group assets, servers, group fund, etc. do not affect the members power in any way, but the total power of the group will be composed of the group assets and member power. Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: DamascuS on May 16, 2009, 10:58:19 PM Wow those prices are a little steep, 200k just to add 1 extra member? It doubles for each new extra member above 6, but remember that it does not reset with new rounds, so you can use income from previous rounds to increase your member capacity. The effect of transferring HPD into the group fund is that you no longer hold that HPD. The result is a decrease of your power, a trade off for helping the group. The group assets, servers, group fund, etc. do not affect the members power in any way, but the total power of the group will be composed of the group assets and member power. Ah thanks titam. One more: Im assuming the leader can disband/destroy a group after creating it, right? Edit: Answered my own question, when the last member leaves, the group is disbanded :laugh: Just had a look round (cost me 2.5k :2:) and ive gotta say...well done sir emi! Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: virus man on May 17, 2009, 12:28:37 PM Titam,
Will you be implementing a group tax feature? To tax Missions and Virii income so members will automatically generate income for the group? Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: gs 059 on May 17, 2009, 01:05:09 PM also, there is a problem with total power....
Six Guns Productions 4 6 528,336 [SGP] DamascuS 1 ONLINE 739.971 if you have 4 people in your group and one of them has over 700k power, than your group should also have more than 700... not less... Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: siremi on May 17, 2009, 01:29:15 PM also, there is a problem with total power.... Six Guns Productions 4 6 528,336 [SGP] DamascuS 1 ONLINE 739.971 if you have 4 people in your group and one of them has over 700k power, than your group should also have more than 700... not less... Updates every hour or so. I don't know about the tax yet, but group members can deposit amounts in the group fund. The group finance log will show the user who deposited and how much. I guess you could put your members to deposit a fixed amount / day. As of now, it's left to the group leader to talk the members into depositing for the group HPD fund :) Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: DamascuS on May 17, 2009, 02:30:21 PM Not sure if anyone else has this problem, but in the top-groups section of the goup page, the table width goes way over the page size, and i have to scroll right to see the rest.
Maybe consider using percentages (%) for the column widths instead? I would include a screenshot but there would be too much editing to do, and ive got too much stuff running on here as it is (firefox isn't exactly picky when it comes to system resources) /lol While im here i have a suggestion to add to the group update, not a big one, you can depost funds into the group fund, but how about being able to transfer an amount of your HPD to another member of the same group, that would greatly help groups when there are new members joining who have not been playing as long, and its would also be nice to help fellow group members out. Could be added to the finance section of the group page, with a selection box of the members etc, easy. :19: Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: virus man on May 17, 2009, 02:39:29 PM Not sure if anyone else has this problem, but in the top-groups section of the goup page, the table width goes way over the page size, and i have to scroll right to see the rest. Maybe consider using percentages (%) for the column widths instead? I would include a screenshot but there would be too much editing to do, and ive got too much stuff running on here as it is (firefox isn't exactly picky when it comes to system resources) /lol While im here i have a suggestion to add to the group update, not a big one, you can depost funds into the group fund, but how about being able to transfer an amount of your HPD to another member of the same group, that would greatly help groups when there are new members joining who have not been playing as long, and its would also be nice to help fellow group members out. Could be added to the finance section of the group page, with a selection box of the members etc, easy. :19: You can do that already via Virii. Let them install virii on your system and when they have gotten the amount agreed upon disinfect it. Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Krieger on May 17, 2009, 03:00:02 PM Nice update.
Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: DamascuS on May 17, 2009, 03:03:59 PM Not sure if anyone else has this problem, but in the top-groups section of the goup page, the table width goes way over the page size, and i have to scroll right to see the rest. Maybe consider using percentages (%) for the column widths instead? I would include a screenshot but there would be too much editing to do, and ive got too much stuff running on here as it is (firefox isn't exactly picky when it comes to system resources) /lol While im here i have a suggestion to add to the group update, not a big one, you can depost funds into the group fund, but how about being able to transfer an amount of your HPD to another member of the same group, that would greatly help groups when there are new members joining who have not been playing as long, and its would also be nice to help fellow group members out. Could be added to the finance section of the group page, with a selection box of the members etc, easy. :19: You can do that already via Virii. Let them install virii on your system and when they have gotten the amount agreed upon disinfect it. True, but its a lot of hassle, especially with larger virii, i would like a more up-front and direct way of just giving someone some HPD. Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: siremi on May 17, 2009, 03:15:54 PM You can do that already via Virii. Let them install virii on your system and when they have gotten the amount agreed upon disinfect it. As he said, that's the only way you'll get the HPD out, sorry. Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: DamascuS on May 17, 2009, 10:03:11 PM Not sure if anyone else has this problem, but in the top-groups section of the goup page, the table width goes way over the page size, and i have to scroll right to see the rest. Maybe consider using percentages (%) for the column widths instead? I would include a screenshot but there would be too much editing to do, and ive got too much stuff running on here as it is (firefox isn't exactly picky when it comes to system resources) /lol While im here i have a suggestion to add to the group update, not a big one, you can depost funds into the group fund, but how about being able to transfer an amount of your HPD to another member of the same group, that would greatly help groups when there are new members joining who have not been playing as long, and its would also be nice to help fellow group members out. Could be added to the finance section of the group page, with a selection box of the members etc, easy. :19: Thats been fixed, i think, but now all the others are doing the same, I know im being picky, but it just doesn't look good, /lol You can do that already via Virii. Let them install virii on your system and when they have gotten the amount agreed upon disinfect it. As he said, that's the only way you'll get the HPD out, sorry. Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Jernau Gurgeh on May 18, 2009, 06:12:48 AM You can do that already via Virii. Let them install virii on your system and when they have gotten the amount agreed upon disinfect it. As he said, that's the only way you'll get the HPD out, sorry. I don't mean transfering out of the group fund, i mean transferring from MY personal HPD account to someone in the same group. It's always a feature in groups, and imo, its just not the same without it. It also enables "pushing" abuse, in which lots of group members contribute lots of HPD to one player, who can then grow much faster and become very powerful. Besides, you can already give resources to other players, it's called filesharing. Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: DamascuS on May 18, 2009, 04:15:30 PM Errr how are files HPD?? And for players to be able to 'push' they would have to be strong themselves to get that kind of income, and thats the whole point anyway, to HELP your members. I take it you disagree with helping?
*Silly question really, providing your actions in R2...wrong side of Gin /lol Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Ginjitsu on May 18, 2009, 05:40:32 PM *Silly question really, providing your actions in R2...wrong side of Gin /lol Ah yes...thanks for reminding me...now where did I put his IP again??? :bodyguard: Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Jernau Gurgeh on May 18, 2009, 06:24:11 PM You guys are taking this game WAY too seriously :-)
Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: bontrose on May 19, 2009, 04:37:33 PM yeah calm down get some off time off :boff: and send me your ip to manage :lol_sign:
Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Exousia on May 19, 2009, 06:36:31 PM HP = Serious Business :laugh:
Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: DamascuS on May 20, 2009, 12:22:34 AM yeah calm down get some off time off :boff: and send me your ip to manage :lol_sign: Ooooh careful :laugh: Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: bontrose on May 20, 2009, 05:11:02 PM yeah calm down get some off time off :boff: and send me your ip to manage :lol_sign: Ooooh careful :laugh: on what part?... .....................:boff: :sniper: :stupid: Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: LordWicked on May 21, 2009, 12:26:46 PM HP = Serious Business :laugh: Give the proof blue on green, and I'll agree... :12: Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: bontrose on May 21, 2009, 02:42:56 PM HP = Serious Business :laugh: Give the proof blue on green, and I'll agree... :12: Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Exousia on May 21, 2009, 04:30:52 PM HP = Serious Business :laugh: Give the proof blue on green, and I'll agree... :12: WTH? Sarcastic mod is sarcastic. :16: Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: LordWicked on May 21, 2009, 05:31:51 PM HP = Serious Business :laugh: Give the proof blue on green, and I'll agree... :12: WTH? Sarcastic mod is sarcastic. :16: Pic's or it didn't happen... Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Exousia on May 21, 2009, 06:10:08 PM (http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/8493/52958437.jpg)
Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Araeus on May 21, 2009, 08:33:24 PM I loled. :laugh:
Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Exousia on May 21, 2009, 08:35:16 PM I loled. :laugh: It pleases me to find that someone has a sense of humor. :19: Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: gs 059 on May 21, 2009, 09:18:53 PM I loled. :laugh: It pleases me to find that someone has a sense of humor. :19: :12: Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: virus man on May 22, 2009, 10:10:31 PM Titam,
I understand the max members carries from one round to the next but what about the group servers? I mean 2 mil for a group server with beginner stats is just not feasible when that same 2 mil on a gold account would give a really nice server as well as a huge power rank jump. So if the servers do not carry over then would it be possible to rethink the pricing and/or starting stats on it or even the BW cap? Thanks in advance for your time and effort. Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: siremi on May 26, 2009, 11:37:39 AM Leader or player that posted in the ingame group board can now edit the posts.
Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Krieger on May 26, 2009, 04:52:17 PM Thats nice, SirEmi :)
Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: virus man on May 26, 2009, 04:57:24 PM Titam, I understand the max members carries from one round to the next but what about the group servers? I mean 2 mil for a group server with beginner stats is just not feasible when that same 2 mil on a gold account would give a really nice server as well as a huge power rank jump. So if the servers do not carry over then would it be possible to rethink the pricing and/or starting stats on it or even the BW cap? Thanks in advance for your time and effort. Still standing by for a reply. As you can see this has been more than a few days now. Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: siremi on May 26, 2009, 06:38:43 PM Titam, I understand the max members carries from one round to the next but what about the group servers? I mean 2 mil for a group server with beginner stats is just not feasible when that same 2 mil on a gold account would give a really nice server as well as a huge power rank jump. So if the servers do not carry over then would it be possible to rethink the pricing and/or starting stats on it or even the BW cap? Thanks in advance for your time and effort. Still standing by for a reply. As you can see this has been more than a few days now. I've talked about the price of the group servers on IRC, but I'll say it again. There are a number of reasons for the price tag: - a group server will be usually used as a software repository for the group - a group server will also be used to bounce group members - the GS can be used to transfer HPD among group members - a GS is a group effort and will be used for group purpose => a GS should be available later in the round, so that it does not overpower players => the current price tag Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Master Shake on May 29, 2009, 04:54:10 PM Are the groups monitored for multi-account violations?
Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Triadian on June 02, 2009, 04:31:24 AM Titam, I understand the max members carries from one round to the next but what about the group servers? I mean 2 mil for a group server with beginner stats is just not feasible when that same 2 mil on a gold account would give a really nice server as well as a huge power rank jump. So if the servers do not carry over then would it be possible to rethink the pricing and/or starting stats on it or even the BW cap? Thanks in advance for your time and effort. Still standing by for a reply. As you can see this has been more than a few days now. I've talked about the price of the group servers on IRC, but I'll say it again. There are a number of reasons for the price tag: - a group server will be usually used as a software repository for the group - a group server will also be used to bounce group members - the GS can be used to transfer HPD among group members - a GS is a group effort and will be used for group purpose => a GS should be available later in the round, so that it does not overpower players => the current price tag emi can we consider giving the GS a boost please ? when bought no-one can upload to it :( Gateway starting upload... This player is under newbie protection! Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Exousia on June 02, 2009, 04:51:20 AM :laugh:
Um, yeah, that may be a problem. Then again, we can always upgrade it past newbie protection, right? Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Eledran on June 02, 2009, 08:31:20 AM emi can we consider giving the GS a boost please ? when bought no-one can upload to it :( Gateway starting upload... This player is under newbie protection! rolfmao. Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: siremi on June 02, 2009, 10:50:36 AM emi can we consider giving the GS a boost please ? when bought no-one can upload to it :( Gateway starting upload... This player is under newbie protection! Upgrade it to a couple hundred Kb BW :16: Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Triadian on June 02, 2009, 11:48:53 AM emi can we consider giving the GS a boost please ? when bought no-one can upload to it :( Gateway starting upload... This player is under newbie protection! Upgrade it to a couple hundred Kb BW :16: thats a no then..... :10: Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: bontrose on June 02, 2009, 02:29:39 PM emi can we consider giving the GS a boost please ? when bought no-one can upload to it :( Gateway starting upload... This player is under newbie protection! Upgrade it to a couple hundred Kb BW :16: thats a no then..... :10: Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Triadian on June 04, 2009, 10:39:57 AM -> Change IP costs 25k HPD, instant change -> Change Pass costs 2500 HPD, instant change emi with this being a leader only function - is it right that we as members have to sit and watch the server get destroyed by people and are powerless to do anything ? Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: siremi on June 04, 2009, 11:02:12 AM -> Change IP costs 25k HPD, instant change -> Change Pass costs 2500 HPD, instant change emi with this being a leader only function - is it right that we as members have to sit and watch the server get destroyed by people and are powerless to do anything ? Well your leader should immediately be notified so he can change the pass / IP. If the leader is inactive or on vacation, he should appoint someone else as leader from Leader Options. Once we get the group ranks / permissions going, this should not pose a problem, as the leader can assign co-leaders that will have access to the leader options. Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Triadian on June 04, 2009, 11:22:41 AM -> Change IP costs 25k HPD, instant change -> Change Pass costs 2500 HPD, instant change emi with this being a leader only function - is it right that we as members have to sit and watch the server get destroyed by people and are powerless to do anything ? Well your leader should immediately be notified so he can change the pass / IP. If the leader is inactive or on vacation, he should appoint someone else as leader from Leader Options. Once we get the group ranks / permissions going, this should not pose a problem, as the leader can assign co-leaders that will have access to the leader options. eta on leader options ? how can i help ? Title: Re: Groups Project update Post by: Triadian on June 07, 2009, 06:49:42 AM eta on leader options ? how can i help ? please ignore the above post which i guess you did anyways. |