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Okay i started installing a few fileshare...Its been a few days now and i was thinking they seem to be taking a while, now I just noticed

activate virii file #172282 ~ 200kbs ~ V 0.4 [], 100h 40m 5s
activate virii file #172283 ~ 150kbs ~ V 0.3 [], 98h 53m 33s
activate virii file #172281 ~ 150kbs ~ V 0.3 [], 98h 53m 15s

What the hell lol.

Can PM the IP if you need it Mr.Tita

didn't start?

Why do you even bother >_>

im trying to see the problem

The timers are in reverse?

It's right there in the title...
If you actually played the game you'd know it doesn't take 100 hours to install a fileshare, lol

Edit: Actually the timers ARE going down, but for some reason they've rofl'd up to 100 hours... Yesterday they were at 28 hours, which is still more than it should be...

What the hack is this? remote disinfect file #160072 | Basic Robber Baron Virus V 0.1 [], 138h 36m 41s or this? research file #172087 (120h) | Basic Robber Baron Virus V 0.1 [Owned][localhost], 142h 38m 22s. That research was supposed to be done today...

See this post, as I think the issue I experienced (and posted there) may be widespread:
http://www.hacker-project.com/forum/index.php?topic=2202.0

Found it and it's FIXED.

Affected processes need to be restarted or wait for it to complete. Very sorry for the inconvenience.

Now my malware tasks have ramped themselves up :<

Malware Overload Bomb log     remote malware from ID #142026 | Prototype Malware Overload Bomb V 0.5 [], 277h 57m 17s     0.5     0     0     0
Kill       467758    Malware Overload Bomb log    remote malware from ID #142025 | Prototype Malware Overload Bomb V 0.5 [], 281h 19m 43s    0.5    0    0    0
Kill       467756    Malware Overload Bomb log    remote malware from ID #143543 | Prototype Malware Overload Bomb V 0.5 [], 276h 29m 3s    0.5    0    0    0
Kill       467754    Malware Overload Bomb log    remote malware from ID #143537 | Prototype Malware Overload Bomb V 0.5 [], 280h 37m 37s    0.5    0    0    0
Kill       467752    Malware Overload Bomb log    remote malware from ID #143542 | Prototype Malware Overload Bomb V 0.5 [], 280h 30m 48s    

Extremely inconvienient D:

remote disinfect file #158944 | Revelation Virus V 0.642722 [], 169h 38m 11s


OH Come on thats BS

I don't want to restart all my d**n processes each time there's a friggin' update
That was supposed to be done today

GRRR, gonna have to kill it before he traces and bombs me again now

Nice one  :4:

might have something to do with me coming out of vac mode today..

Unlikely as this started 2 days ago and plenty of others have gone in and out of Vac mode.

and this isnt the first timer problem is it...last one i can remember was about the gin came out vac mode...and he also came out of vac mode 2 days ago..lol

*Thinks Vac Mode is stupid, just a way for people to hide...and obviously it's just causing more harm than good*

hey, not all of us got there iphone glued in hand..i wanted to know that when i got back i had'nt been blasted away...so blah :16:

I concur. I think you should automatically go into vacation mode after you've not logged in after 730 hours (One month roughly)

And that be the only way
But then we'd lose random private servers so thats put me off my own idea...

Vacation mode should make your power nil and only be deactivate-able after a week at least  :bodyguard:

No, I think Vacation mode was needed.  Too much stress on those who take a weeks vacation, thinking about their account.  This way at least you are partially protected, at least against everything but rev attacks.

and hopefully vac mode doesn't protect against that

No vacation mode does not protect against rev virus.

It doesn't protect against the resets, but protects against being bombed by the Rev afaik...

Yep, so people can just install a number of virii, let them build HPD for a number of hours and then hide in VAC mode until the day/week before the round ends. Pop out, collect and enjoy your boost in ranking.

Install a number of Malwares, let them build up, come out, collect and bomb away.

This is why we rejected the idea of Vac mode when it was first introduced way back in round 1. It's a dirty loophole.

Personally I will log anybody who goes into VAC mode without a legitimate reason, and I'll be waiting for the day you come out with plenty of malware. I understand if you're scared but that doesn't mean you should go hide in a cheap way.

I'm pretty sure all timers are paused. Viruses and malware included. Tasks can even time-out  :17:

Yeah. And if you put them on your own servers they can't be disinfected either.

How about next round I take my second account and beef it up a little bit, throw some malwares on them and let it go unnoticed as long as possible, say 500 hours for 100-200 malwares. Then after they have gone for a sufficient amount of time or someone starts to disinfect them, I go into vacation mode until 8 Revelation viruses are installed. I then come out and use the malwares to bomb the people challenging for the top spots.

There's nothing that says this is against the rules, and Vacation mode allows it.

But you could do that anyway without vacation mode... Make a new account and put malware on it.
Personally i don't think multiple account should be allowed at all as they're always open to abuse, or if you're going to have more than one account, make it force the other one out of use...I mean, there's no way to detect if someone is simply copying servers over from one account to the other (I'm sure people do it) use spyware on there own barons etc. Because we all know emi doesn't actually check for that sort of cheating activity, yet I somehow doubt people with secondary accounts have genuinly worked them up from scratch... But we have to give them the benefit of the doubt, which is, open to abuse..  :14:

I'm not really sure what you are saying... That its a problem because people can just hide?
I'm not saying i like vacation mode, quite the contrary actually, I'm just trying to see what the issue is here
Especially as anyone could do that so it's not like it's unfair, just lame

An IP and account check are simple ways of detecting if someone is breaking the rules, but in the example that I mentioned, no rules are even broken. It's a "legitimate" tactic because there is nothing that says you can't do so.

If you make a new account and put malware on it without vacation mode introduced, someone can actually stumble upon the farm and disinfect it and you probably wouldn't even notice. Not to mention you are then tagged for the round (Unless you put gold on both accounts), if someone sees your server name they can easily check it again for malware. With Vacation mode, you are completely undetectable, you can't even have your server cracked. Therefore you are completely immune. You could essentially build up masses of malware farms this way and just unleash them all towards the end of the round.

Yes, it's a problem because people can simply hide behind their vacation mode, and in this example, you can even use Vacation mode to your advantage which is bull crap, and is why we never had it implemented in the first place.

You will not gain any action points, and your virii timers and private servers tasks will be frozen at the time you entered the vacation mode. Revelation can still hit your servers.

Someone that entered a vacation mode for 3 days, when he comes back will have the same exact power and vir collect timers as when he entered vacation mode.

Sure, but that doesn't protect you from starting up a large malware farm and letting it go for a number of hours (if it goes undetected which 95% of the time, it will), and THEN going into VAC mode, popping back out at the end of the round and you already have a large malware farm ready.

Yes, you will have a large malware farm with 0 attack power... unless you let it gain that power by staying out of vacation mode.

You could also scan a server that is in vacation mode using an IP Scanner if you're worried about pretenders to the Top 10 hiding in vacation mode. This will give you the owner of the server. Then if you want, you can malware the server with Revelation even if it's in vacation mode. You can get the IP from the dealer even if he is in vacation mode.

How would it have 0 attack power unless all your Malware had their timers RESET as opposed to frozen?

I make a farm. I let the malware run for 500 hours. I go into vac mode for two months. I come back, and i still have 500 hours on my malware. How does that equal 0 attack power?


The same can be said for a Baron virus. I get 15/30 farms going, let them run for 500 hours and then go into Vacation mode. I come back, and I have a hefty payment ready for me...Not to mention nobody had a chance to disinfect them or come close. That's a significant power jump.

You could also scan a server that is in vacation mode using an IP Scanner if you're worried about pretenders to the Top 10 hiding in vacation mode. This will give you the owner of the server. Then if you want, you can malware the server with Revelation even if it's in vacation mode. You can get the IP from the dealer even if he is in vacation mode.

That doesn't get rid of the 500+ hours of Malware they could potentially have installed and waiting for you. In fact, it makes it harder to disinfect them.

HJ, I don't see any problems. To get the 500 hours malware, you need to sit and wait with your malware farm for that 500 hours while out of vacation. Much can happen in those 500 hours.

Then, you need to lock your account and sit and wait for Revelation Day... it takes a lot of time and resources, and you will fall behind.

My guess is you think one can make multiple accounts, sleepers that would wake up during Revelation day and attack everyone... This would be against the TOS and would be a ban for the alts as well as the main account because it's considered using multiple accounts to attack the same target.


Remote malware is a powerful tool, but if one is decently active, it's very easy to avoid / evade. Changing your IP for example will break all incoming remote attacks. Inactive accounts should be in vacation mode and unreachable by remote malware, only by Revelation.

I don't see any immediate problem. I agree it's not perfect, and time will tell when we get to Revelation Day, but so far vacation mode is more beneficial then harmful.

So what, it's okay to make two accounts but only one is allowed to use malware? Don't get me wrong I'm not saying this is what I plan to do, it's just a hypothetical situation.

If you play two accounts as seperate entities, your goal is still to make it into the top 10, and one way to do so would be to sit on your barons/malware and use them to boost yourself at the same time taking out other players.

You say it's using multiple accounts to attack the same target, well who are you supposed to attack if you decide to play two accounts as separate entities? Your enemies are the same: anyone else who is in the top 10.

Also, who is going to take the AP and massive disinfect time it takes to disinfect a malware farm, when you can easily be process traced and attacked with the same malware? I know for a fact since I started all of my malware farms, none have been cracked, and if they have nobody touched the servers one bit.

As for falling behind, it took me a week to get into the top 10. Maybe less time. Sorry if I seem rude or blunt but that isn't a valid point if you ask me.

Yes it is ok to have multiple account under these circumstances:
You do not use your accounts to help one single account.
You may not finance a lower power account with a higher power one in other to do damage to lower people using the higher account resources.
You do not use your multiple accounts to attack one single target. Your accounts may not help each other in any way. You have to play each account as a single entity to ensure the fair play as opposed to your fellow players.
There are special features in place that will automatically detect and prevent connections to your multi accounts.
Taken from http://www.hacker-project.com/terms.html

So yes HJ you are correct.


If nobody has touched your servers why go to vacation mode? Just stay out and gain attack power?

All those rules explain to me are that you can not attack the same server with two different accounts. Doesn't clearly state that on two different occasions one could attack the same server with your two accounts, say for example after the server changes IP. Hypothetically one could save their malware on the second account and attack ranks 5-10, a legitimate reason would be to get that second account into ranks 5-10. Then your main account could solely focus on ranks 1-4, with a goal to get into the top 4. Therefore the two accounts are being played as separate entities.

And why go into vac mode? For that extra bit of security. To HIDE. Not to go on vacation.

My suggestions to fix this obvious problem...it is compelling that you don't see this is an obvious loophole.

- Don't let users play multiple accouts anymore. This wouldn't change much but would help. It's not realistic that one can use multiple accounts as separate entities. For one, separate entities should be completely entitled to attack whatever server they want so long as it's not at the same time, otherwise the rule is contradictive of itself considering you aren't really playing them as separate if they can't freely attack whomever.
- Add a general rule: "Vacation mode can not be abused, as it is designed for users to be able to safely go on vacation, and not to gain a sense of protection for any other reason. Any users caught using vacation mode as a loophole will have (consequence)".
- remove vacation mode.
- most people know how long they are going on vacation for. Make it so you have to input how long your account is in vacation mode for and it can not be taken out until that time passes.
- don't let vacation mode last longer than 60 days.
- have malware and baron timers reset when you go into vacation mode. File shares, adware and other virii should remain as you can't just stack these onto your own servers productively.

Of all of these, I think the last suggestion works best. Simple way to avoid the baron problem = collect before you go. Your HPD is safe when in Vac mode anyways.

Tested:

Yes, you can be attacked by rev while in vacation mode.  Thanks Ivan/Liberty Belle :)  I'll be back around for you.

Yes, your Malware and baron timers DO STOP while in vacation mode.  Your barons on other peoples servers stop as well.  Not sure if that was intended. 

I still think Malware/Baron timers should reset completely if you go into VAC mode.

collect beforehand?

Yes, I collected before I went into vacation mode.

As soon as I got out I collected again and all barons said there was less than .1 hours and I should wait.