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Title: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: siremi on July 12, 2008, 01:00:57 AM
Codenamed "Virus Breaker"

- a tool to capture an active virus, taking complete control of the installed virus
- tool version decreases time to hijack the virus, but any version will be able to hijack a virus given enough time (determined by virus version / size vs. tool version)
- tool acts on active virus process to pinpoint the virus commands, not the virus file, so hider will be useless against it
- use remotely or local
- once capture process is completed, the owner of the virus losses control in favor of the new owner. Active time is reset to 0. Logs are NOT deleted and can be accessed by the new owner.

Please comment.

Thank you


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: HJ® on July 12, 2008, 01:08:10 AM
Do it. Will make the game alot more active :P


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: virus man on July 12, 2008, 01:55:27 AM
I would say to allow this to be used only on a local host and not remote host.  If used on a remote host it will only allow others another way to gain for little risk much like the steal software option.

Also if it is allowed to be used remotely then there should be some way other than the level of the virii to slow it down or prevent it from working.  Say a Virii Mutation software to act as a counter with the level checks being made against it first to see if it can be "hijacked".

If there is nothing to counter it AND it is allowed to be used remotely then there is no balance.

Other than that it sounds interesting and if implemented I can tell you SGP will take it up to 1.0 within 48 hours ;)


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: BobbyBob on July 12, 2008, 04:55:54 AM
I would say to allow this to be used only on a local host and not remote host.  If used on a remote host it will only allow others another way to gain for little risk much like the steal software option.

Also if it is allowed to be used remotely then there should be some way other than the level of the virii to slow it down or prevent it from working.  Say a Virii Mutation software to act as a counter with the level checks being made against it first to see if it can be "hijacked".

If there is nothing to counter it AND it is allowed to be used remotely then there is no balance.

Other than that it sounds interesting and if implemented I can tell you SGP will take it up to 1.0 within 48 hours ;)
I Agree, this should only be able to be used local ( meaning your own server ) It'll be pretty irritating, and i'll get a jump on who takes my virii.


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: BobbyBob on July 12, 2008, 05:00:27 AM
Ohh hehe, i thought it was implemented I was about to download and get it to V 1+ in a day  :shifty:


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: XRay on July 12, 2008, 05:05:33 AM
Whoa, this is a cool idea. :)

It must be balanced carefully, though. Taking over should take a long time and I'd like to see some protection against it. Otherwise, people will just take over insanely powerful viruses and hide behind an IP change while the takeover is in progress.


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: sovietpride on July 12, 2008, 05:30:35 AM
imho definitely overpowered.
currently everything has a counter, this needs one too. Hence i support the virus mutation software, or maybe encryption being it's counter?


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: RavenXP on July 12, 2008, 05:34:10 AM
imho definitely overpowered.
currently everything has a counter, this needs one too. Hence i support the virus mutation software, or maybe encryption being it's counter?

I agree, this is overpowered. Imagine high-level players taking over 0.1 version viruses of new players.  :14:


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: BobbyBob on July 12, 2008, 05:34:43 AM
imho definitely overpowered.
currently everything has a counter, this needs one too. Hence i support the virus mutation software, or maybe encryption being it's counter?
Mhmm since taking over someone elses upload ( uploading is a pain ) it should have two counters such as the ecrypt and virus mutation?


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: XRay on July 12, 2008, 06:03:11 AM
Encrypt would fit thematically, and afaik it's currently underused anyway. So I vote for encryption to protect against virus hijacking.


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: BobbyBob on July 12, 2008, 06:20:29 AM
Encrypt would fit thematically, and afaik it's currently underused anyway. So I vote for encryption to protect against virus hijacking.
and a virus mutation( i heard it suggested ) There should be two counters for something so sinister and evil


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: siremi on July 12, 2008, 12:06:23 PM
I think it's very important for balance that there will not be any counter other then find the IP and stop the process.

Balance:
- balance would be in the time it takes to capture the virus vs. the IP change cost vs. resources used to capture the virus.
- balance will also be if the former owner uses a higher capture software to take back the virus in less time

That way the one who installed the virus has to constantly protect his territory no matter how much HPD or virus version he has.
It's a means of countering viruses spreading too fast, it will give the virus owners a chance to defend their viruses.


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: Noseedam on July 12, 2008, 12:49:16 PM
okay, here's a suggestion on the matter for balance

1: it's encrypted to all but user
2: takes time, and maybe bandwidth?
3: is downgraded by 0.1 each time it's taken over (cept basic)


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: BobbyBob on July 12, 2008, 12:59:35 PM
okay, here's a suggestion on the matter for balance

1: it's encrypted to all but user
2: takes time, and maybe bandwidth?
3: is downgraded by 0.1 each time it's taken over (cept basic)
God .1? <.<


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: siremi on July 12, 2008, 01:04:14 PM
- can only be run from the gateway computer, for local capture or remote capture


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: BobbyBob on July 12, 2008, 01:08:09 PM
- can only be run from the gateway computer, for local capture or remote capture
Can only be run on gateway, and can only be used on viruses on localhost. That would be good.


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: Noseedam on July 12, 2008, 01:08:33 PM
okay, here's a suggestion on the matter for balance

1: it's encrypted to all but user
2: takes time, and maybe bandwidth?
3: is downgraded by 0.1 each time it's taken over (cept basic)
God .1? <.<

yes, it's supposed to make a dent, and it only starts at 0.2, and makes that a basic, so for the most part it doesn't matter, but it'll still leave a dent in the big boys's toys
- can only be run from the gateway computer, for local capture or remote capture

like encryption and hiding right?


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: Master Shake on July 12, 2008, 01:21:11 PM
  EDIT- Didnt read the fine print about BY and not TO. Disregard.


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: PauloHaddad on July 12, 2008, 01:28:53 PM
okay, here's a suggestion on the matter for balance

1: it's encrypted to all but user
2: takes time, and maybe bandwidth?
3: is downgraded by 0.1 each time it's taken over (cept basic)
I think some not have read well.

Is downgraded BY! Not downgraded TO!


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: PauloHaddad on July 12, 2008, 01:35:00 PM
I think some not have read well.

Is downgraded BY! Not downgraded TO!
Just completing, it might have some kind of equation to define how many versions are downgraded.


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: Master Shake on July 12, 2008, 01:41:42 PM
Out of curiosity,would you be able to attempt to capture something that couldnt fit on your gateway? And what about Spyware and collection-If a person captured a spyware of equal version with another of the same version running on the same gate,would the capture take precedence in collection over the other one?


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: Noseedam on July 12, 2008, 02:02:59 PM
captured ones are supposed to be downgraded, so other spyware would be first


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: siremi on July 12, 2008, 02:12:17 PM
I think some have misunderstood this software type.  :laugh:

- the Virus Breaker does NOT give you the virus file. It gives you the installed virus control.
- you do NOT acquire the un-installed version on your gateway.
- you only acquire control of the installed virus for future profits. No profit is gained when capturing the virus, the profits come in later from the collection of the captured virus.
- any missions on the captured virus are still active and others may still hunt and disinfect it.

- once again, you do not capture the un-installed version on your gateway!



Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: Noseedam on July 12, 2008, 02:17:32 PM
i knew this >.> and so i was purely talking about out of server, tho makes sense for you to capture that nasty little adware thats on you're gateway


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: siremi on July 12, 2008, 02:29:38 PM
and you can also re-activate inactive viruses that lost connection due to IP change with this software  :)


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: Noseedam on July 12, 2008, 02:35:11 PM
and you can also re-activate inactive viruses that lost connection due to IP change with this software  :)

this is required software!


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: virus man on July 12, 2008, 03:49:09 PM
I think some have misunderstood this software type.  :laugh:

- the Virus Breaker does NOT give you the virus file. It gives you the installed virus control.
- you do NOT acquire the un-installed version on your gateway.
- you only acquire control of the installed virus for future profits. No profit is gained when capturing the virus, the profits come in later from the collection of the captured virus.
- any missions on the captured virus are still active and others may still hunt and disinfect it.

- once again, you do not capture the un-installed version on your gateway!


Ok let me see if I understand this correctly.

During the capture process the original owner and the one capturing do not get any HPD from the virus in question?

Will there be anything to make it more difficult?

Will the time to "capture" be like password cracking where the higher the version the longer it takes?

Will the "capture software" need to be of equal or higher level to capture?

Will the original owner get any bonus to "capture time" so if they are not online when the capture happens they can take it back at a decreased amount of time?


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: Noseedam on July 12, 2008, 04:01:55 PM
take back for original owned is quicker, however once captured, then new owner gets all profits and collects


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: human on July 12, 2008, 05:16:20 PM
1.- It warns the original virus owner when other tries to get the control
2.- Minimun time for taking control over a virus on a non-owned gatewat: 24h
3.- A huge decrease time for localhost viruses


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: Noseedam on July 12, 2008, 05:24:47 PM
not that long dude............. maybe a hour tops, and possibly an over load >.>

thats insane, and makes it impossible to get someone who is still playing the game, so pvp is gone with it


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: sovietpride on July 12, 2008, 05:25:15 PM
take over time should be relative to file size imho.

If this is implimented ip changing WILL kill this process. already got enough bastards dis-infecting my file sharing virii and changing ip's, making them impossible to trace unless they make a mistake (which they did, and paid for dearly)

if they're going to take my virii, i want the chance to stop them.
and maybe teach them a lesson... their fault for trying to take what isnt theres >.>


Title: Re: "Virus Breaker" - Capture virus tool
Post by: Kingdutch on July 15, 2008, 05:07:20 AM
I'll vote for 12h-24h since I've been basicly monitoring my gateway every 5 min. (Inc. my virusses) for a couple of hours yesterday, to find myself taking an 45 min. break, coming back, my spyware gone meaning I''ve lost control over all the adware on there (Long story why there's spyware on there not going to explain)  :2:

Thanks to help of somebody who logged on and disinfected the spyware I now can collect my adware, but it was annoying as hell since there was also other peoples adware on there  :4:

 :17:

Oh and where about does that warning come that they're taking over? I haven't seen any big bright red flashing letters
VIRUS BEING TAKEN OVER!
now that would be clear