Sons of Technological Liberty

[Exousia]

Even suspicion of such an act on Emi's part is going to ruin this game, not just reset it. People are not going to be happy about this.

[HJ®]

Yes well, how long have people been complaining about overpowered newbie protection? A lot longer than the newbies have been complaining! It's a definite advantage, and can be abused with Revelations like it is now.

Not to take anything away from Emi, he did comment on the problem, but has not done anything about it..

[HJ®]

You mean Emi MEANT for it to be used to protect Rev? Well, that explains why he never fixed/responded to the issue. . .

Also, Emi had planned Rev before it was implemented. Long before. It was in the ideas during the beginning of the game. Don't you think some more extensive planning could have been done?

[Exousia]

Well, then he better just reset it now so those who want to keep playing can start rebuilding already and those who don't want to keep playing can stop wasting their time.

No one is going to appreciate this manipulation. This is nothing resembling a fun storyline or even an interesting one. People are going to go away from this experience feeling jerked around and betrayed.

[HJ®]

Don't let me point the finger for you. "Because 7 billion people could be wrong"

For all we know Emi is trying to fix this situation as we speak. But given his history I'd say that the game is nearing a reset.

[Exousia]

Don't let me point the finger for you. "Because 7 billion people could be wrong"

For all we know Emi is trying to fix this situation as we speak. But given his history I'd say that the game is nearing a reset.

I would LOVE to find out the Emi is trying to fix the situation. That would thrill me to no end and I would add Emi to my Christmas card list (of course I'd have to create a Christmas card list just to add him to it) but, as you suggest, the evidence, the trend, and the likelihood is the contrary. This isn't a "beyond reasonable doubt" situation, but a clear "by a preponderance of the evidence" situation as they say in law.

The game, the concept is fun and exiting but this Revelation thing is broken and anti-climactic. That's more my point.

[HJ®]

He can't.

The simple fact alone that he tried to install the Revs on his own system multiple times proves his idiocracy.

Why would you assume that it's all one guys doing? All it would take would be a group of 10 friends, that all have gold. Name the servers with Revelation installations SoTL and you have what appears to be one man. As for his idiocracy(idiocy?), personally it's common sense. You can't touch the newb servers, you cant touch the Rev virus while it's being installed, if they were serious, they could pull it off quite easily.

As for their statement about the Tsar Project.. I agree. The FU should have stopped it before it began. The fact that it had persisted, means that the FU has failed in their MO. And that the FU is willing to toss it's own MO to the wayside if certain conditions are met. Now, because of the research put into it, and the SoTL with their newbie servers, there is no way to even patch this break. Even if FU deleted all of their copies of the 2.45 Rev, there would still be the 2.45 Rev on the SoTL newbie servers.

But.. I see the same problem happening with SoTL. They say they abhor the use of Revelation... and yet they are keeping copies. They are installing them. They are in sense attempting to replace SGP's terrorism with a greater threat of their own. "Get rid of your versions or we will cause doomsday." So they are in essence no different then SGP(I'm assuming are the owners of Tsar).

Now, as for who they are... at least one of them has at one point or time been a FU member. Obviously someone that is either a user of the VB or Spyware. Or has been severely punished for the use of it beforehand. Also it is likely these people have been the targets of Tsar at one time or another. (Of course this is all speculation based on their "statement of purpose")


On a side note.. this will be interesting to see how it turns out. Who will cave.. or who will push the big red button first just to say, "I killed you before you killed me."    An issue of pride is what it is now....

If I wasn't to assume it was all one guy's doing, then it's only 3-4 stupid people. Either way, it's a fake threat.

[HJ®]

Don't let me point the finger for you. "Because 7 billion people could be wrong"

For all we know Emi is trying to fix this situation as we speak. But given his history I'd say that the game is nearing a reset.

I would LOVE to find out the Emi is trying to fix the situation. That would thrill me to no end and I would add Emi to my Christmas card list (of course I'd have to create a Christmas card list just to add him to it) but, as you suggest, the evidence, the trend, and the likelihood is the contrary. This isn't a "beyond reasonable doubt" situation, but a clear "by a preponderance of the evidence" situation as they say in law.

The game, the concept is fun and exiting but this Revelation thing is broken and anti-climactic. That's more my point.

And the evidence is staggering, mind you.

Emi took his time to make sure newbie protection was made right. He also took his time - 3 months - to ensure Faith and Revelation were made right. You don't just overlook something like this.

[Thek3mp]

no evidence to say it isnt emi who is behind sotl, conspircacy theories ftw

[Seb]

soTL (or, so True light, as I originally had suspected.   ) could be dangerous, we can't have revelation, even downloading it has been made into a criminal offence. (rightfully so!)

I auggest they are monitored and kept from becoming a serious threat.


I think newbie protection should:
stop any players within the NP bounds from
1. uploading/activating a malware bomb
2. uploading/downloading/installing revelation

btw: nice to see a new faction!

[J.GreenThumb]

*Any death threats please be sent in form of PM not attacks ingame*

I am kind of glad that someone decided to stand up against SGP. I approve of their point, but their method is a little unethical. No, I am not admitting to being associated with SoTL, but their cause is a good one. SGP has a strangle hold on this game, no one is able to do much anymore without the fear of recourse.

If I had the money I would join them in their quest. Yet, I do not. I also respect the members of SGP, ARC, TNW way to much to trash all they have worked for. I do not approve of their ethics or way they go about getting into people's business. I do approve of their helping newer players but only to a certain point. They help new players only till they have 1 or 2 million power then they through down the rules.

Please, stop bashing SirEmi. I am guessing that he is tired from all this bashing and false accusations. Sure, he doesn't have a good track record. Remember, HP has been in beta for a long time. He wants everything perfect. He is trying his hardest. Allow him time to make some upgrades. If you are a programmer you understand, something take more than 1 minute.

Lastly, I want to reiterate, I am not supporting SoTL or SGP. I wish everyone would stop fighting over who is doing what. Stay to you own business, keep out of your neighbors, don't act as if you are invulnerable. Eventually you will be conquered. Now SoTL seems to have caught SGP with their pants down. SGP is trying to launch a propaganda campaign against everything and everyone to take the blame off of them. It doesn't seem to be working huh?

*All Death Threats please put in writing and don't attack me in game.*

[Thek3mp]

*Any death threats please be sent in form of PM not attacks ingame*

I am kind of glad that someone decided to stand up against SGP. I approve of their point, but their method is a little unethical. No, I am not admitting to being associated with SoTL, but their cause is a good one. SGP has a strangle hold on this game, no one is able to do much anymore without the fear of recourse.

If I had the money I would join them in their quest. Yet, I do not. I also respect the members of SGP, ARC, TNW way to much to trash all they have worked for. I do not approve of their ethics or way they go about getting into people's business. I do approve of their helping newer players but only to a certain point. They help new players only till they have 1 or 2 million power then they through down the rules.

Please, stop bashing SirEmi. I am guessing that he is tired from all this bashing and false accusations. Sure, he doesn't have a good track record. Remember, HP has been in beta for a long time. He wants everything perfect. He is trying his hardest. Allow him time to make some upgrades. If you are a programmer you understand, something take more than 1 minute.

Lastly, I want to reiterate, I am not supporting SoTL or SGP. I wish everyone would stop fighting over who is doing what. Stay to you own business, keep out of your neighbors, don't act as if you are invulnerable. Eventually you will be conquered. Now SoTL seems to have caught SGP with their pants down. SGP is trying to launch a propaganda campaign against everything and everyone to take the blame off of them. It doesn't seem to be working huh?

*All Death Threats please put in writing and don't attack me in game.*

I agree with you completely, and would also join sotl just for the fun of doing so, but my lack of resources and experience is going to make me wait a month(if it lasts that long)

[Exousia]

Feh.... I'm sure once the initial shock and resentment wears off, we'll all post much more sanely.

I disagree entirely with SoTL but whatever. If it's reset, it's reset. Make it quick, though, two weeks of waiting around with nothing to do is agonizing. 

[Raistlin]

I don't think SoTL's going for a reset, for 2 reasons. One, they haven't got enough Rev's running to end things, and two, they said "we believe that the use of Revelation in any way, shape or form is an abomination and a threat to the safety of all information specialists.". If they do start Doomsday, it'd be pretty hypocritical. And also "an abomination."

[Thek3mp]

ever seen heroes?
kill millions to save billions


































































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